patch 1.2 NO JOKE!

[SabreHawk]

Of course there will be patches, as I said they went to the trouble of implementing an auto patching system. Now why on earth would they do that if they had no intention of doing patches?

Just be patient, good things come to those who are.

[Charlie901]

Originally Posted by GFC Christian

+1

2 out of 6 "bugs" on this list can be fixed within 1 minute by editing the command.cfg. If this is really "top of their list" it is more than a JOKE ! Honestly, for me this looks more or less like an awkward attempt to do anything and asap prior they have to pay for the waste disposal of all the returned copies.

Yes but ist's Naive to think that the VAST majority of consumers who have purchased this game wil ever visit this website and DL Mods or learn to Edit CFG files.

In that regard a lot of the patch issues posted will fix many of the UI frustrations of NEW potential sub sim fans who have just purchased the game and otherwise would have immediately shelved it, and never looked into another SH game from then on...

[Ali Fish]

i seem to find myself waiting to see what the developers have in mind before i choose my mod list... at present i cant play it anymore. on reletivly hard settings the bad guys just cant sink me. and im no uber sub captain.

[Commie]

Originally Posted by MattDizzle

Of course its about the money, this is not unicef, they dont make games to make you happy.

You deserve to be called bad names, but i cant because the mods will ban me. Just pretend i did and that you feel my ridicule.

Still here? Wrong logic you have there. If a GAME company doesn't make games to make the customer happy about playing them then they will go out of business. Yep Matt it's what they teach in Basic Business Practice 101. Troll somewhere else with these inanities.

[Reaves]

How long must we wait for the patch?

[Safe-Keeper]

I was really referring to the big publishers who only truly care about profits. In these cases it is about the money. Yes there are exceptions where even a high budget title gets forced out. The problem is that games like SH5 are ambitous but are targetted at relatively small (PC) market sectors.

So if SH5 was released by a small publisher who only truly cared about profits, it'd be okay?

[SabreHawk]

Originally Posted by Michal788

How long must we wait for the patch?

As long as it takes.

[Steeltrap]

Panzer Elite = excellent (especially with mods, but entirely playable/enjoyable 'out of the box').

Mount & Blade = excellent (same comment as above; they have a new version built for MP and expanded gameplay options coming out end of March I think, called 'Warband').

IL2 Sturmovik = excellent (by far the best flight sim since the original, brilliant 'Red Baron'....plus it dealt with Eastern Front, a sadly neglected area of gaming).

All 'left field' developers at time of release. I'm increasingly of the view that the 'mass producers' are to be avoided at all costs.

[ferg]

Originally Posted by Coldcall

Actually the Total War games were relatively clean up to ETW. I thought both RTW and MTW were excellent even though for the few bugs.

I was going to pass this by, but I can't. Medieval 2: Total War was an utter disaster on the same scale as SH5 and ETW. It's the reason I didn't buy ETW. I was glad of that decision, too, when I read that they shipped ETW with an AI that lacked the ability to conduct seaborne attacks (i.e. play England and your home territory will never be invaded; the enemy will never be able to support its overseas possessions with navally transported reinforcements, etc.). Heck, M2 shipped with a shield bug that made shields actually work in reverse (they made soldiers MORE vulnerable) and a borked two-handed attack animation that made 2H units useless. IIRC, fighting downhill actually imposed a penalty rather than the intended bonus. And so much more...

The relevance to the SH series? This is the way things are in the industry. I see the same cycle for every reasonably complex game: a broken release out of the gate, months and months of waiting for a series of patches that finally make the game playable, and a war between those who are understandably upset and complain and those who are angry that people complain.

This cycle will continue for as long as gamers purchase titles they know are subpar. Really, did any of us not know SH5 was going to be a mess? For the record, I don't own or play it. I'm just following the issues as a fan of the series, as an interested game buyer, and as someone who wishes he could play and enjoy SH5. Game publishers are companies. Companies care about profit. They maximize profit by maximizing sales and minimizing costs. One way they minimize costs is to hamstring development teams with a lack of resources. As long as the broken results sell, we will have to live with it.

If we were all sceptical and refused to buy a game on release after a series of releases (SH3, SH4, and SH5 at least) that established a track-record of failure, the publisher would have to adjust its policies. Until then, this will continue unchanged.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by DragonRR1

Odd really. There I am saying that it IS about the money .. You then agree and want to call me names. Have you seen someone about your anger issue?

EDIT:
Hopefully the deleted link doesn't actually mean Ubi have decided not to do a patch!

You have to remember, there is no "maturity" filter available for the forum. Sadly.

[CaptainHaplo]

Neal, sure there is - its user enabled and called the IGNORE function. Works great on trolls. Glad its an option on the server actually!

A word to those who find themselves hasseled by immaturity. Often your own response eggs it on - though perhaps not intentionally. Its just the way these things work. So what do you do about it? Easy:

Don't feed a troll.......

[Snake Man]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Falcon 4 is a good example of that. It was very ambitious with a fully dynamic campaign, but had major issues when it was released in 1999. It took multiple patches, supermods and a re-release as F4AF in 2005 before most of the real bugs were resolved.

1999? Supermods? F4AF? Heh, boy did you have your facts straight

[Reaves]

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

Panzer Elite = excellent (especially with mods, but entirely playable/enjoyable 'out of the box').

Mount & Blade = excellent (same comment as above; they have a new version built for MP and expanded gameplay options coming out end of March I think, called 'Warband').

IL2 Sturmovik = excellent (by far the best flight sim since the original, brilliant 'Red Baron'....plus it dealt with Eastern Front, a sadly neglected area of gaming).

All 'left field' developers at time of release. I'm increasingly of the view that the 'mass producers' are to be avoided at all costs.

I purchased mount and blade a looong time ago before it even had a "box". There was no dead-line on them as they sold it themselves from the web-site. A great game but the version I had was missing a lot. I should see if I can still get my copy..

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by Reaves

I purchased mount and blade a looong time ago before it even had a "box". There was no dead-line on them as they sold it themselves from the web-site. A great game but the version I had was missing a lot. I should see if I can still get my copy..

Fantastic game. I bought it while it was in beta, for around £9.00, version .903 if I remember correctly. It is now version 1.011, and basically complete, with full wars and sieges which were missing from the earlier builds. There are certainly many hours of fun to be had with this indie game.

An expansion called 'Warband' is due out toward the end of March, might be worth taking another look.