Identifying nationality at night. - Page 2

Chisum · 03-22-10, 03:06 PM

All I know is they had night oculars "Zeiss" very efficient (Jochen Brennecke "The hunters and the hunted").
In the game, it's easy: I open fire on anything that does not have their navigation lights on.
Mistake is a part of the war.

Exakt · 03-22-10, 03:21 PM

They never were "officially" dropped, but in the British coastal areas and US coastal waters, in February 1940, attacks on unidentifiable ships (blacked out) were authorized, has long as they were done while submerged, to give the impression that the ship would have hit a mine. In the rest of the world, the official BdU standing orders, were to follow the Prize Regulations, but like I said, it is very difficult for a U-boat to fully adhere to these regulations. Unofficially, Germany was conducting an unrestricted submarine warfare.

maillemaker · 03-22-10, 03:41 PM

There's no good way to do it, short of using the external camera view, which I have disabled.

About your only option is to sail right up next to the target and run up the scope and try to make it out.

Or, just assume if it's dark it's OK to shoot.

Steve

jumpy · 03-22-10, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KL-alfman

+1

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Originally Posted by Pisces

Oh yeah, another thing that might help. Make everything on the screen and around your playing environment as dark as possible. Your eyes cannot detect faint colors well enough if they are blinded out by bright objects.

I do this a fair bit.

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Originally Posted by Chisum

I open fire on anything that does not have their navigation lights on.

This.
No lights? They must be up to no good.

Sailor Steve · 03-22-10, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chisum

it's easy: I open fire on anything that does not have their navigation lights on.
Mistake is a part of the war.

And since only GWX puts those into the game, and since a lot of them are still not lit, you must sink a lot of neutrals.

Chisum · 03-22-10, 04:31 PM

Strangely: never.
Probably because I use the contact color mod lol.

Flopper · 03-22-10, 04:42 PM

I really would like to have the 1940 version of this on the boot:

http://www.amazon.com/000-Candlepowe.../dp/B001ECH9SE

frau kaleun · 03-22-10, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chisum

Strangely: never.
Probably because I use the contact color mod lol.

KL-alfman · 03-22-10, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Flopper

I really would like to have the 1940 version of this on the boot:

http://www.amazon.com/000-Candlepowe.../dp/B001ECH9SE

would be convenient to spot the flags but it would drain your batteries as well!

Reverie · 03-22-10, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CTaardvark

How do you identify what nationality ships are at night? I had this problem the other night whilst following a Cargo ship. No matter how close I got I could not make out the flag colours. I thought, "I know. I wonder if it'll be easier to make out if I surface". No it wasn't and then it opened fire on me. Doh!

Any tips?

Your Watch Officer on the bridge will validate a Target for you when asked.

Reverie

klh · 03-22-10, 08:25 PM

Early in the war, or in open water, I try to time my attacks at dawn or dusk in order to make a proper identification. Trying to detect a flag color in the pitch dark of night is nearly impossible.

After the US joins the war, I usually figure that anything without running lights going to or coming from the UK must be hostile. A risk, yes, but what's war without a little risk. (P.S. don't tell BdU)

Capt. Teach · 03-22-10, 09:30 PM

I don't know what The Reich's take is on it .... and I don't know what other Captains do ... I can only tell you what I do ...

I am the Captain of my vessel ... when I park off the Englander's coast ... and they are heading for it ... as far as I am concerned ... they are one of three types ... an enemy, a neutral, or an ally.

If an enemy, then my decision is made. LOS!
If a neutral, then they should know better than to enter a war zone. LOS!
If an ally, then there is only two reasons to be steaming to England ... they are traitors ... LOS!
or .... they are stupid and shouldn't be allowed to represent the Kriegsmarine. LOS!

Seriously though, make your best guess ... I can't see them either.

Paul Riley · 03-23-10, 03:13 AM

Last night heading through the channel I accidentally sank a Romanian merchant,I was convinced it was a bloody French swine.
Be VERY careful if you find yourself in the same situation,yellow is difficult to make out and could be mistaken for white at night.

sharkbit · 03-23-10, 08:33 AM

There's a mod out there that makes the flags "brighter" at night.

Try this:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=152479

Vipper · 03-23-10, 10:39 AM

When message box that pops up when enemy ship is spotted is allowed then it is easy - when it comes up then vessel is enemy, if not then it is neutral.

03-22-10, 03:06 PM	#16
Chisum Seasoned Skipper Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bastogne, Belgium Posts: 716 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	All I know is they had night oculars "Zeiss" very efficient (Jochen Brennecke "The hunters and the hunted"). In the game, it's easy: I open fire on anything that does not have their navigation lights on. Mistake is a part of the war. __________________ [http://simus-paradise.forumactif.com/silent-hunter-iii-f12/

03-22-10, 03:21 PM	#17
Exakt Helmsman Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ville de Quebec (not the HMCS) Posts: 106 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	They never were "officially" dropped, but in the British coastal areas and US coastal waters, in February 1940, attacks on unidentifiable ships (blacked out) were authorized, has long as they were done while submerged, to give the impression that the ship would have hit a mine. In the rest of the world, the official BdU standing orders, were to follow the Prize Regulations, but like I said, it is very difficult for a U-boat to fully adhere to these regulations. Unofficially, Germany was conducting an unrestricted submarine warfare. __________________ U-46 Leutnant z. S. Jakob Bock U-47 ObLt z. S. Jaana Galland ObLt z. S. Ernst Wagner (BdU)

03-22-10, 04:31 PM	#21
Chisum Seasoned Skipper Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bastogne, Belgium Posts: 716 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	Strangely: never. Probably because I use the contact color mod lol. __________________ [http://simus-paradise.forumactif.com/silent-hunter-iii-f12/

03-22-10, 04:42 PM	#22
Flopper Weps Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Asheville, NC, USA Posts: 356 Downloads: 107 Uploads: 0	I really would like to have the 1940 version of this on the boot: http://www.amazon.com/000-Candlepowe.../dp/B001ECH9SE __________________

03-22-10, 09:30 PM	#27
Capt. Teach Gunner Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: U-64, Generally Posts: 94 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 1	I don't know what The Reich's take is on it .... and I don't know what other Captains do ... I can only tell you what I do ... I am the Captain of my vessel ... when I park off the Englander's coast ... and they are heading for it ... as far as I am concerned ... they are one of three types ... an enemy, a neutral, or an ally. If an enemy, then my decision is made. LOS! If a neutral, then they should know better than to enter a war zone. LOS! If an ally, then there is only two reasons to be steaming to England ... they are traitors ... LOS! or .... they are stupid and shouldn't be allowed to represent the Kriegsmarine. LOS! Seriously though, make your best guess ... I can't see them either. __________________ Death? I'm not afraid of death, its the last few seconds of life that scare the hell out of me. Last edited by Capt. Teach; 03-22-10 at 09:51 PM.

03-22-10, 03:41 PM	#18
maillemaker Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,639 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	There's no good way to do it, short of using the external camera view, which I have disabled. About your only option is to sail right up next to the target and run up the scope and try to make it out. Or, just assume if it's dark it's OK to shoot. Steve

03-22-10, 08:25 PM	#26
klh Der Alte Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 227 Downloads: 200 Uploads: 0	Early in the war, or in open water, I try to time my attacks at dawn or dusk in order to make a proper identification. Trying to detect a flag color in the pitch dark of night is nearly impossible. After the US joins the war, I usually figure that anything without running lights going to or coming from the UK must be hostile. A risk, yes, but what's war without a little risk. (P.S. don't tell BdU)

03-23-10, 03:13 AM	#28
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Last night heading through the channel I accidentally sank a Romanian merchant,I was convinced it was a bloody French swine. Be VERY careful if you find yourself in the same situation,yellow is difficult to make out and could be mistaken for white at night. __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

03-23-10, 08:33 AM	#29
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	There's a mod out there that makes the flags "brighter" at night. Try this: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=152479 __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

03-23-10, 10:39 AM	#30
Vipper Machinist's Mate Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 122 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	When message box that pops up when enemy ship is spotted is allowed then it is easy - when it comes up then vessel is enemy, if not then it is neutral.