SH4 rocks with RFB 2! - Page 2

CCIP · 03-20-10, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LukeFF

You guys are in for a lot more "fun" when the next patch is released.

Hint: it has to do with the Mark 14's reliability.

Are we getting the Narwhal next patch too?

LukeFF · 03-22-10, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Are we getting the Narwhal next patch too?

I think it will. I just need to devote an evening to getting it integrated fully into the mod.

Jten · 03-22-10, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Camaero

Yeah... let me tell you about the fun I had tonight!

I spent hours tracking and positioning myself to take down a task force. I spent more hours evading the escorts after severely damaging a cruiser. Then I surfaced and raced ahead of the damaged cruiser (who had been left behind by his comrades) only to place myself in the perfect position. Yay I'm about to watch my first ship of the patrol explode and sink right?

Wrong. I launch 3 torps and one of them runs in a circle and kills me.

**** you Mark 14's.

(I do love RFB but I'm still pissed right now.)

Sub Captains in RL would change depth after firing. You only need to 'guppy' the boat. Descend to 100 and then back up to PD if you still need to look at things.

Immacolata · 03-22-10, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Galanti

Wow, I'm about 180% in the other direction. I love the fleet boat TDC, especially the PK. I love the fact that I can set up a solution, turn on PK and continually check my inputs through sonar pings.

I just never got the hang of that Position Keeper. How does it work? What is the point of it?

BillBam · 03-22-10, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Immacolata

I just never got the hang of that Position Keeper. How does it work? What is the point of it?

The position keeper allows you to keep a solution locked in. Since the target and usually your boat are moving the solution is always changine, this compensates for the movement.

AVGWarhawk · 03-22-10, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Immacolata

I just never got the hang of that Position Keeper. How does it work? What is the point of it?

Next to the Norden bomb sight it was one of the best devices of WW2. The name means exactly what it does. It keeps relative position of your boat to the target vessel done through your inputs on the TDC. It is done mechanically. Those inputs are range, speed and AOB. If your three calculations noted are close to dead on, the position keeper will show with outlines of your boat and target vessel on dials. Each dial moves according to your inputs and continues to move each dial after it is turned on. Unless you or your target changes course the position keeper allows the user to predict with certainty the position of your boat to the target generating optimal view to a sinking. Keep in mind that once the three critical inputs are established and entered the scope does not really require to go up for a look anymore. Just watch the position keeper. The device also changed the gyros in the torpedos real time via the TDC. It is quite a clever device.

McHibbins · 03-22-10, 02:44 PM

Put 3 fishes in different compartments and nearly 35 HE (waterline) shells in an small tanker last night and saw him sank after 25 minutes RL.
Imho a small tanker should be nearly desintegrated with this.

I really like the sinking mechanics...... but getting sick of the damage modell sometimes.

Is it possible to make a "lite" version. Got SH5 in mind where are two mods around, working great together (Real flooding and critical hits for torps).

I´m really missing the "big booom" sometimes or the chance of quick finishing off especially the small merchants.

Where can i find the files to lower the hitpoints for a ship or increase the strenghts of the torps or shells ? I´m thinking of *zone files but don´t know which editor i can use for them.

ShadowWolf Kell · 03-22-10, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by McHibbins

RFB 2 together with RSRD rocks ! After my first career in a Fleetboat i´ll try OM with Uboatmissions.

If you like the changes brought about with RSRD, you'll like OM + OMEGU.

Lurker's done an amazing job of bringing the U-Boats to life. Two things you'll learn to hate though. The frequency of torpedo duds in the early years (magnetic works better in 39, but relies on calm seas or really close range) and Sunderlands and PBYs that'll make your life miserable.

The only caveat is that OM + OMEGU is exceptionally touchy when it comes to adding in extra mods.

03-22-10, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by McHibbins

Put 3 fishes in different compartments and nearly 35 HE (waterline) shells in an small tanker last night and saw him sank after 25 minutes RL.
Imho a small tanker should be nearly desintegrated with this.

I really like the sinking mechanics...... but getting sick of the damage modell sometimes.

Is it possible to make a "lite" version. Got SH5 in mind where are two mods around, working great together (Real flooding and critical hits for torps).

I´m really missing the "big booom" sometimes or the chance of quick finishing off especially the small merchants.

Where can i find the files to lower the hitpoints for a ship or increase the strenghts of the torps or shells ? I´m thinking of *zone files but don´t know which editor i can use for them.

DDEnvironment does that.
increases torp strength to a realistic level.
reduces the torp failure rate.
Does all kinds of little extra stuff like that to improve gameplay.

It's an overwrite, so I'd think after installing it, you could enable whatever mod your using.
then the JSGME mod enabled pack would take precedence.
It's also 100% compatible with even a vanilla install of sh4.
so you can play it while using our mod and your friend can play with you, but not need the mod.

Check it out here: http://www.warishellgaming.com/forum...ad.php?t=26067

to do that yourself, you need to edit the torpedo.zon file.
I believe it's torpedos_US.zon.

Use s3d to edit them.

Armistead · 03-22-10, 08:48 PM

The maker of DDenv. said it wouldn't work with any of the supermods...

LukeFF · 03-23-10, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bish0p

increases torp strength to a realistic level.

That's highly subjective.

LukeFF · 03-23-10, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by McHibbins

Put 3 fishes in different compartments and nearly 35 HE (waterline) shells in an small tanker last night and saw him sank after 25 minutes RL.
Imho a small tanker should be nearly desintegrated with this.

Which tanker? There are two of them in the game.

RFB Team · 03-23-10, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by McHibbins

Put 3 fishes in different compartments and nearly 35 HE (waterline) shells in an small tanker last night and saw him sank after 25 minutes RL.
Imho a small tanker should be nearly desintegrated with this.

In tests ran with the Small Old Tanker (assuming this was the ship in question), 1 torpedo took down the ship every time in less than 15 minutes.

Suggest you make sure you don't have conflicting mods. There is no way in the world a small tanker should be surviving 3 torpedo hits in RFB.

EDIT: in tests ran with the tanker added with the U-boat add-on, the ship sometimes took 1 hit and sometimes 2 before it sank.

The mod's working as designed.

McHibbins · 03-23-10, 09:01 AM

Ok mates, i´m sorry !

Wasn´t a small old one. It was the medium that came with the Addon I think

Running SH4 with RFB 2.0 and RSRD SH15V550 +Patch.
I don´t want to criticize your mod ´cause I really love it. The sinking mechanics for merchants above ie. 4500 tons are great.

But just for me personally, I would like to have the chance for quicker sinking a ship under 4000 tons or get a Tanker down with a big explosion (maybe too eyecandy or unrealistic but I saw that so often in some documentaries. On the other hand I know, that an empty Merchand is hard to sink, an empty Tanker might be much much harder)

So, when I´m talking about a "light version" of the damage model I have the stock behavier for small ships or a slighly increased firepower in mind.

There was a really good compromise made for SH5 where natural sinking mechanics or flooding (mod) works together with critical torps or/and deckgun (mod).

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163930

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163663

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164953

The one is slowing down the sinking while the others is giving the chance for a critical hit and mighty boom.

I personally like the idea behind the Crit-Torp-Mod. He´s not only decreasing the power but give the loadup a chance between ie 100 pts(low damage) or 400 (high damage).

In GWX i think was also a nice harmony between sinking mechanics and quick finnishing. You were able to observe the sinking of an merchant for a long time but you were also able to go surface and destroy him quickly with another torp or deckgun if necessary ( aircraft base nearby etc).

I don´t know if this is possible for SH4 or some Mods but personally i would like it.

And just to make it clear : I´m not an impatient Counterstriker

but i think it´s historical proven that a big boom isn´t just eyecandy.

Again, I adore your work and really love your mod. No harm, no criticism, it´s just a little thing I wish to have.

P.S.: sry for my bad english

TH0R · 03-23-10, 11:48 AM

^^ +1 on what he said

03-22-10, 02:44 PM	#22
McHibbins Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Good old Germany Posts: 739 Downloads: 80 Uploads: 0	Put 3 fishes in different compartments and nearly 35 HE (waterline) shells in an small tanker last night and saw him sank after 25 minutes RL. Imho a small tanker should be nearly desintegrated with this. I really like the sinking mechanics...... but getting sick of the damage modell sometimes. Is it possible to make a "lite" version. Got SH5 in mind where are two mods around, working great together (Real flooding and critical hits for torps). I´m really missing the "big booom" sometimes or the chance of quick finishing off especially the small merchants. Where can i find the files to lower the hitpoints for a ship or increase the strenghts of the torps or shells ? I´m thinking of *zone files but don´t know which editor i can use for them. __________________

03-23-10, 09:01 AM	#29
McHibbins Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Good old Germany Posts: 739 Downloads: 80 Uploads: 0	Ok mates, i´m sorry ! Wasn´t a small old one. It was the medium that came with the Addon I think Running SH4 with RFB 2.0 and RSRD SH15V550 +Patch. I don´t want to criticize your mod ´cause I really love it. The sinking mechanics for merchants above ie. 4500 tons are great. But just for me personally, I would like to have the chance for quicker sinking a ship under 4000 tons or get a Tanker down with a big explosion (maybe too eyecandy or unrealistic but I saw that so often in some documentaries. On the other hand I know, that an empty Merchand is hard to sink, an empty Tanker might be much much harder) So, when I´m talking about a "light version" of the damage model I have the stock behavier for small ships or a slighly increased firepower in mind. There was a really good compromise made for SH5 where natural sinking mechanics or flooding (mod) works together with critical torps or/and deckgun (mod). http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163930 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163663 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164953 The one is slowing down the sinking while the others is giving the chance for a critical hit and mighty boom. I personally like the idea behind the Crit-Torp-Mod. He´s not only decreasing the power but give the loadup a chance between ie 100 pts(low damage) or 400 (high damage). In GWX i think was also a nice harmony between sinking mechanics and quick finnishing. You were able to observe the sinking of an merchant for a long time but you were also able to go surface and destroy him quickly with another torp or deckgun if necessary ( aircraft base nearby etc). I don´t know if this is possible for SH4 or some Mods but personally i would like it. And just to make it clear : I´m not an impatient Counterstriker but i think it´s historical proven that a big boom isn´t just eyecandy. Again, I adore your work and really love your mod. No harm, no criticism, it´s just a little thing I wish to have. P.S.: sry for my bad english __________________ Last edited by McHibbins; 03-23-10 at 09:35 AM.

03-23-10, 11:48 AM	#30
TH0R XO Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 420 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	^^ +1 on what he said __________________ *My IL2 stuff:* LEVEL BOMBING MANUAL v2.0 \| 'MUSTANG'

03-22-10, 08:48 PM	#25
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	The maker of DDenv. said it wouldn't work with any of the supermods...