[REL] Revised engine telegraph

reaper7 · 03-14-10, 07:57 AM

Nice one thanks, the small thing can make such a difference.

Bilge_Rat · 03-16-10, 04:43 PM

very nice, thanks

should'nt this be in the Mod section?

Arclight · 03-16-10, 05:02 PM

Aye, kinda misposted. Still waiting for a mod to move it.

Sailor Steve · 03-16-10, 05:06 PM

Quote:

1011=All ahead 1/3
1012=All ahead 2/3

Would match SH3 better if it was

1011=All Ahead Slow
1012=All Ahead 1/3

Or find out what the real equivalents of the German terms are. Actually I think the version in the game now is pretty much a direct translation of the German terms, as weird as they seem to English-speakers.

Arclight · 03-16-10, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Would match SH3 better if it was

1011=All Ahead Slow
1012=All Ahead 1/3

Or find out what the real equivalents of the German terms are. Actually I think the version in the game now is pretty much a direct translation of the German terms, as weird as they seem to English-speakers.

I agree, but I don't really appreciate the "extreme speed", nor the exclamation marks after every one. Besides, if you translate from German to English, it doesn't have to be literal; better imho to use proper terms.

If you find me a good picture of an engine telegraph, I'll use those terms.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frederf

What do you think about changing some small capitalization, wording things? The "all" refers to the number of engines, but really we have no control over that and I think the voice .wav files don't actually speak the "all" except for "all stop." It's nice when the text matches the voice heard.

I'm guessing at what the english voice .wav files say since I have the German voices. I'm also trying to get the historical german terms used in there but it's tough going.

If the rest of the messages in the chat buffer don't use periods then I guess the propulsion orders shouldn't either. Either way "1/3" should be written out as "one-third" (and 2/3 "two-thirds").

Well there are several engines, so it seemed to make sense. And I removed the exclamation marks except for 'back emergency', seemed silly. To be honest, it's a straight rip from Sub Command.

No clue on English voices either.

Was just a quick fix, while working on other things. To you the same proposition: provide a clear picture of an engine telegraph, and it shall be done.

The General · 03-16-10, 06:13 PM

Great work. For the 'ahead flank' order, have you used the wav file from SH3 or does the voice still say 'extreme speed ahead' and the text say 'all ahead flank'?

Arclight · 03-16-10, 06:22 PM

Text change only. Using German voices myself, seem fine, just the text feedback seems a bit unnatural with the literal translation.

Frederf · 03-16-10, 06:23 PM

The ones I have found have more entries than the game allows so it becomes confusing. Here's a fun one: http://thump01.pbase.com/t6/57/32345...9.85ibCcRU.jpg

Anyway, it'd be dumb to have the English voice (or German for that matter) speak aloud something other than what is in the text.

You might synthesize these two bits of information.
http://www.uboatarchive.net/KTBNotesPropulsion.htm
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/255...aphecholot.jpg
and perhaps

Quote:

Telegraph Speed R.P.M (type VII, MAN Diesel Engines)
Kleine Fahrt (dead slow) - 170
Langsame Fahrt (slow) - 240
Halbe Fahrt (slow) - 300
2x Halbe Fahrt (3/5) - 390
Grosse Fahrt (3/4) - 415
2x Grosse Fahrt (4/5) - 445
AK Fahrt (full) - 470

http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/der...ki/Development

Baleur · 03-17-10, 12:31 PM

All back full <-- sounds funny :P

Highbury · 03-16-10, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arclight

If you find me a good picture of an engine telegraph, I'll use those terms.

What you have looks good for a 'common' US military telegraph of the day.

http://www.westsea.com/tsg3/itemlock...cker/06-74.JPG

Of course that is not from a sub, but it does prove your terminology is not incorrect at all.

Thanks for the upload!

Arclight · 03-16-10, 06:52 PM

Aye, but I think the question has become whether the text should reflect the spoken words, or what is represented on the telegraph. And whether to use military terms or civilian.

I'd translate "kleine fahrt vorauss" as "ahead dead slow", while the proper term in English as found on the military telegraph is "(all) ahead 1/3".

At first I figured "well, it's a military craft and the text is in english", but it feels a bit clinical; perhaps a closer approximation of what is spoken (in German) will appear more natural.

Sooo...

All stop
Ahead dead slow
Ahead slow
Ahead standard
Ahead full
Ahead flank
Back dead slow
Back slow
Back full
Back emergency!

How's that?

Frederf · 03-16-10, 05:20 PM

Code:

1010=All stop
1011=All ahead 1/3
1012=All ahead 2/3
1013=All ahead standard
1014=All ahead full
1015=All ahead flank
1016=All back 1/3
1017=All back 2/3
1018=All back full
1019=All back Emergency!

What do you think about changing some small capitalization, wording things? The "all" refers to the number of engines, but really we have no control over that and I think the voice .wav files don't actually speak the "all" except for "all stop." It's nice when the text matches the voice heard.

I'm guessing at what the english voice .wav files say since I have the German voices. I'm also trying to get the historical german terms used in there but it's tough going.

If the rest of the messages in the chat buffer don't use periods then I guess the propulsion orders shouldn't either. Either way "1/3" should be written out as "one-third" (and 2/3 "two-thirds").

Code:

1010=All stop.
1011=Ahead dead slow.
1012=Ahead slow.
1013=Ahead half.
1014=Ahead full.
1015=Ahead flank!
1016=Back slow.
1017=Back standard.
1018=Back full.
1019=All back emergency!

03-16-10, 04:43 PM	#2
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	very nice, thanks should'nt this be in the Mod section? __________________

03-16-10, 05:02 PM	#3
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Aye, kinda misposted. Still waiting for a mod to move it. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

03-16-10, 06:13 PM	#6
The General The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mountain Ash, Wales, U.K. Posts: 1,548 Downloads: 179 Uploads: 3	Great work. For the 'ahead flank' order, have you used the wav file from SH3 or does the voice still say 'extreme speed ahead' and the text say 'all ahead flank'? __________________ *THE GENERAL*

03-16-10, 06:22 PM	#7
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Text change only. Using German voices myself, seem fine, just the text feedback seems a bit unnatural with the literal translation. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

03-16-10, 06:52 PM	#11
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Aye, but I think the question has become whether the text should reflect the spoken words, or what is represented on the telegraph. And whether to use military terms or civilian. I'd translate "kleine fahrt vorauss" as "ahead dead slow", while the proper term in English as found on the military telegraph is "(all) ahead 1/3". At first I figured "well, it's a military craft and the text is in english", but it feels a bit clinical; perhaps a closer approximation of what is spoken (in German) will appear more natural. Sooo... All stop Ahead dead slow Ahead slow Ahead standard Ahead full Ahead flank Back dead slow Back slow Back full Back emergency! How's that? __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

03-14-10, 07:57 AM	#1
reaper7 sim2reality Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: AM 82 Posts: 2,280 Downloads: 258 Uploads: 30	Nice one thanks, the small thing can make such a difference.

03-17-10, 12:31 PM	#9
Baleur A-ganger Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 78 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	All back full <-- sounds funny :P

03-16-10, 05:20 PM	#12
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	Code: 1010=All stop 1011=All ahead 1/3 1012=All ahead 2/3 1013=All ahead standard 1014=All ahead full 1015=All ahead flank 1016=All back 1/3 1017=All back 2/3 1018=All back full 1019=All back Emergency! What do you think about changing some small capitalization, wording things? The "all" refers to the number of engines, but really we have no control over that and I think the voice .wav files don't actually speak the "all" except for "all stop." It's nice when the text matches the voice heard. I'm guessing at what the english voice .wav files say since I have the German voices. I'm also trying to get the historical german terms used in there but it's tough going. If the rest of the messages in the chat buffer don't use periods then I guess the propulsion orders shouldn't either. Either way "1/3" should be written out as "one-third" (and 2/3 "two-thirds"). Code: 1010=All stop. 1011=Ahead dead slow. 1012=Ahead slow. 1013=Ahead half. 1014=Ahead full. 1015=Ahead flank! 1016=Back slow. 1017=Back standard. 1018=Back full. 1019=All back emergency!