Merchants have too many hitpoints?

msxyz · 03-14-10, 04:26 AM

In SH games it's largely zone dependant. Torpedoes in the bow portion of the ship seems to be unable to sink it from flooding.

Damage the stern portion of the ships with 2-3 torpedoes and they will eventually go down; if you save and reload you'll have a crippled unsinkable ship that requires more damage to be put out for good.

Turm · 03-14-10, 07:11 AM

Agreed, it's currently quite silly.

Twice, I've put 2 torpedoes into a merchant, set the whole thing ablaze, and it sailed on merrily with the rest of the ships (but DDs chased me off).

Twice, I've put a single torpedo into a ship and the same was true.

However, then I had the opportunity to surface inside the convoy of 9 unescorted ships...

... and with the deck gun I sank 7 of those 9 - the first kills of my patrol, because the torpedoes are rather useless!

I don't mind a ship taking 2-3 torpedoes to sink since it would be more realistic in some cases, but the deck gun seems a far better choice at the moment, when possible

Yak · 03-14-10, 07:27 AM

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Upgrade the torpedoman's Warhead Specialist and Preheat abilities to max and you won't need more than two eels (and maybe a few deck gun rounds) to sink any merchant.

And you'll need the Morale Mod since the morale system is extremely broken. :P

You're kidding right?

Mud · 03-14-10, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Yak

You're kidding right?

I´m affraid not, I didn´t upgrade my torpedo man yet.
It feels like cheating and far from realistic.

Mud

Noren · 03-14-10, 07:43 AM

Naw, he's not. Upgrades make your torpedoes a lot more potent. Its really laugable, extra range I coulde comply with but explosive powah? noooo....

Its a shame we dont get beautiful under-keel shoots anymore. Those kind of shockwaves could rip up anything from underneath, now thats physics at play in the real world!

reaper7 · 03-14-10, 07:50 AM

Have you tried the critical hits Torpedo mod yet. I usuall yonly require a single torp to take down merchants as the flooding mechanism appears to work properly in the mod. Merchants health bar may me half full but fire and flooding usually end up sinking them.

szultz · 03-14-10, 07:55 AM

Upgrading torpedomans abilities changes also torpedoes speed which besides being unrealistic breaks torpedo targeting, as game does not compensate for speed increase in calculations, in manual targeting mode or in auto.
I recommend using torpedo critical hits mod instead (can be found in mods section), if you want bigger booms. It also fixes flooding somewhat, because flooding isn't triggered unless damage is high enough.

utops · 03-14-10, 08:12 AM

Sinking mechanics are broken i saw only once when merch sunk by flooding. I turn on health bars to take a closer look in to this and this looks like flood bar decrase only for couple second then stop. GWX SM should be ported to Sh5 (except passager/cargo

)i really liked how GWX ships can be sunken by flooding in time a day or two sometimes longer. Not to mention in SH5 cripled ships can mantain speed and steam without propeller.

gimpy117 · 03-14-10, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by msxyz

In SH games it's largely zone dependant. Torpedoes in the bow portion of the ship seems to be unable to sink it from flooding.

Damage the stern portion of the ships with 2-3 torpedoes and they will eventually go down; if you save and reload you'll have a crippled unsinkable ship that requires more damage to be put out for good.

actually i killed a small tanker with a bow shot

Conrad von Kaiser · 03-15-10, 10:42 AM

Last night I ran into a 9 ship convoy with 3 DD screen. Managed to get a snap shot on a Cimmaron tanker that blew her nose off. Other 3 torpedo's took out the other tankers and merchants.

Dove deep and waited with silent running for the screen to move off with the remaining ships. Surfaced probably 4 hours later (in game time) to take in my external torpedo's and reload when I see the tanker burning off in the distance. She's stopped, burning from aft to what's left of her bow and just sitting there in the heavy seas.

Took about 40 rounds from the deck gun to finally get her to go under

Have screenshots but not here on the work PC lol

03-14-10, 04:26 AM	#1
msxyz Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 218 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	In SH games it's largely zone dependant. Torpedoes in the bow portion of the ship seems to be unable to sink it from flooding. Damage the stern portion of the ships with 2-3 torpedoes and they will eventually go down; if you save and reload you'll have a crippled unsinkable ship that requires more damage to be put out for good. __________________ ...Sinking deeper into the cold, dark oceans of life

03-14-10, 07:11 AM	#2
Turm Engineer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 210 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Agreed, it's currently quite silly. Twice, I've put 2 torpedoes into a merchant, set the whole thing ablaze, and it sailed on merrily with the rest of the ships (but DDs chased me off). Twice, I've put a single torpedo into a ship and the same was true. However, then I had the opportunity to surface inside the convoy of 9 unescorted ships... ... and with the deck gun I sank 7 of those 9 - the first kills of my patrol, because the torpedoes are rather useless! I don't mind a ship taking 2-3 torpedoes to sink since it would be more realistic in some cases, but the deck gun seems a far better choice at the moment, when possible

03-14-10, 07:43 AM	#5
Noren 中国水兵 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 284 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Naw, he's not. Upgrades make your torpedoes a lot more potent. Its really laugable, extra range I coulde comply with but explosive powah? noooo.... Its a shame we dont get beautiful under-keel shoots anymore. Those kind of shockwaves could rip up anything from underneath, now thats physics at play in the real world!

03-14-10, 07:50 AM	#6
reaper7 sim2reality Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: AM 82 Posts: 2,280 Downloads: 258 Uploads: 30	Have you tried the critical hits Torpedo mod yet. I usuall yonly require a single torp to take down merchants as the flooding mechanism appears to work properly in the mod. Merchants health bar may me half full but fire and flooding usually end up sinking them.

03-14-10, 07:55 AM	#7
szultz Swabbie Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 12 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	Upgrading torpedomans abilities changes also torpedoes speed which besides being unrealistic breaks torpedo targeting, as game does not compensate for speed increase in calculations, in manual targeting mode or in auto. I recommend using torpedo critical hits mod instead (can be found in mods section), if you want bigger booms. It also fixes flooding somewhat, because flooding isn't triggered unless damage is high enough.

03-14-10, 08:12 AM	#8
utops Planesman Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Gdańsk,Poland Posts: 197 Downloads: 202 Uploads: 0	Sinking mechanics are broken i saw only once when merch sunk by flooding. I turn on health bars to take a closer look in to this and this looks like flood bar decrase only for couple second then stop. GWX SM should be ported to Sh5 (except passager/cargo )i really liked how GWX ships can be sunken by flooding in time a day or two sometimes longer. Not to mention in SH5 cripled ships can mantain speed and steam without propeller.

03-15-10, 10:42 AM	#10
Conrad von Kaiser Helmsman Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: New York Posts: 105 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Last night I ran into a 9 ship convoy with 3 DD screen. Managed to get a snap shot on a Cimmaron tanker that blew her nose off. Other 3 torpedo's took out the other tankers and merchants. Dove deep and waited with silent running for the screen to move off with the remaining ships. Surfaced probably 4 hours later (in game time) to take in my external torpedo's and reload when I see the tanker burning off in the distance. She's stopped, burning from aft to what's left of her bow and just sitting there in the heavy seas. Took about 40 rounds from the deck gun to finally get her to go under Have screenshots but not here on the work PC lol