Never was so much hoped by so many, and delivered to so few!

drtechno · 03-11-10, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Brewtality

Secondly, can't you whiners stick to one thread, let those of us who actually enjoy the game have a neat forum to visit and talk about our fun times with the game. As it is now, a wall of pointless whining posts are greeting you as you enter what used to be one of the neatest, cleanest and most pleasant gaming forum on the web.

You mean make fun OF the game, right? Or do you really mean have fun playing the game? Because the latter statement must mean that you really have your head buried in the ground ignoring all the bugs. This forum is litterred with them.

Kapitan_Phillips · 03-11-10, 10:31 AM

Why is it all I ever see nowadays is "When the modders get hold of it" or "When the mods come out"

Why should consumers have to finish making a game?

Bosje · 03-11-10, 10:34 AM

partly because there would be no market for the game i want

if they made the game exactly the way i wanted it, they'd sell maybe 100 copies worldwide, so i need community enthousiasts to turn the game into what i would have liked it to be

not turn the game into what it should have been in the first place, because it wouldnt be developed in the first place

Kapitan_Phillips · 03-11-10, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosje

partly because there would be no market for the game i want

if they made the game exactly the way i wanted it, they'd sell maybe 100 copies worldwide, so i need community enthousiasts to turn the game into what i would have liked it to be

not turn the game into what it should have been in the first place, because it wouldnt be developed in the first place

I see your point, but from what I see, the mods out right now are for pretty simple things that dont really affect realism, but instead clean up the interface and oversights.

Bosje · 03-11-10, 11:05 AM

true

the main problem may be that we are all hugely spoiled by supermods for SH3 and 4, and we expect the new game to be at least as good, with all the new features on top

that's apparently a dumb expectation to have and we all bitch about it or we can shrug about it

i'm being so mild because i just remembered how much I loved SH2 back when i didnt even have internet, i never knew so much was wrong with it because i didnt know any better. same with SH3 vanilla.

after a few months having a great time with SH3, i went online and found this community here, and that's where i learned manual targetting, where i got the supermods going and where i learned what was wrong with the stock game

as a result, i hated SH4 when i first got that, because none of it was working exactly like i wanted it to. I'm simply trying to remind myself not to make that mistake again and enjoy everything which is actually great about SH5, when i do decide to buy it

IanC · 03-11-10, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Why should consumers have to finish making a game?

They shouldn't.
But this has somehow, slowly, become the norm with PC games, and gamers just accept it. And it's because they accept it and keep buying (even preordering!) these unfinished games, that the game companies will just keep doing it.
It's some kind of sick, twisted, circle.

sav112 · 03-11-10, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Why should consumers have to finish making a game?

That’s what my main gripe is, that the developers have charged full price for a game that has major bugs and everyone feels it will take mods to make it user friendly with dials, better fog, better water off the deck and probably better Ai and much much more.

What they really needed to do was hire a team of Mod’s and give them a copy of the game that they thought was a releases candidate and came back a few months later and seen what they had done, tested it and then paid them a fair price. (call it
enhancement and fine tuning department)
I’m actually impressed there is a few mods already out for the horrific user interface and some and wave mod’s. I always feel sorry for there unpaid work even if it is rewarding to here the fans appreciate all they do.

I did play BF2 “PR Mod” and it was like a new game. As I said I get the best of both worlds SHV will be £5 in Tesco’s and there will be a few fantastic Mods out by the time i get rounds to buying a new rig and buying the game. But its not right this is the way the industry is working.

mookiemookie · 03-11-10, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Why is it all I ever see nowadays is "When the modders get hold of it" or "When the mods come out"

Why should consumers have to finish making a game?

It makes me kind of think "well why don't you get in and try your hand at modding it yourself, instead of expecting someone to do it for you." I've bumbled around with files enough to do my own little tweaks.

sav112 · 03-11-10, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It makes me kind of think "well why don't you get in and try your hand at modding it yourself, instead of expecting someone to do it for you." I've bumbled around with files enough to do my own little tweaks.

Don’t think he expects anything but appreciates that it’s the hard working mod’s that eventually give us a game that we should really be getting out the box. Lets face it those ShIII mods are so far removed for the boxed release version.

Developer in my view spits out a half finished product and moves on due to the company wanting to make quick money and time restraints that are placed on them by themselves. And please for the love of god don’t hit us with “it’s a company its here to make Money” yeah I think we can appreciate that.

Coldcall · 03-11-10, 11:34 AM

While i agree its not right that modders (consumers) should end up having to finnish a product for Ubisoft; there would not be the platform to be modded had no SH5 ever been developed.

So for the cost of the game, the sub simulation community has gained a highly moddable engine; (arguably) featuring the best maritime graphics ever created.

I reckon SH5 is sort of the new Falcon 4, in that it will end up a great game after a few years intense modding.

Kapitan_Phillips · 03-11-10, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Coldcall

So for the cost of the game, the sub simulation community has gained a highly moddable engine; (arguably) featuring the best maritime graphics ever created.

Well, I for one expect 100% playability and a finished product for the price they are asking.

Also, I doubt the engine accessability is quite as expansive as alot of people think. If it was, there'd be little use for a Silent Hunter 6.

drtechno · 03-11-10, 11:36 AM

I think you are misunderstanding. It isn't that they didn't make a game YOU want (realistic sub sim), its just that the game is completely unfinished and riddled with some unplayable bugs. And saddled with a ridiculous DRM system that we have to read about every other day "Ubi servers down again". The bugs and DRM are the problem, not the lack of realism. Read the reviews.

It isn't like this game was released, highly polished with minimal problems but was just "too unrealistic" for some.

The game, in its released state, was and is garbage.

Come on, destroyer groups that maintain course with you and just plow into islands? (that plus the game killing morale bug, UI issues, ships that are in midair and unhittable, etc. etc.)
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=164347&page=2

03-11-10, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by drtechno

You mean make fun OF the game, right? Or do you really mean have fun playing the game? Because the latter statement must mean that you really have your head buried in the ground ignoring all the bugs. This forum is litterred with them.

Excuse me if it offend you that I choose to focus on the positives here. But the last 20 games I've played has been in this state on release, it's not SH5 exclusive, you know.

In other words, if you play a couple of games other than the SH series, and get so ****ing annoyed by a bug that you can't enjoy the rest of the game, then I would guess you've got no games to enjoy the last 10 years. Not to mention the vein in your forehead would be the size of an anaconda...

And I don't think there is any point in making a new thread every time someone find a bug, go to the bug thread and point it out so that the dudes from Ubisoft that sneak around on these forums need only to look one place to find them. Not to mention how unpleasant and uninviting this forum is becoming if this new trend escalates.

PS. I cracked my game the first time I realized the Ubi servers was down... it's not really hard for anyone to do just that... just back up your original files and crack it, use the original files when a new patch arrives until it gets cracked again, or until the Ubi servers are stable,it's not rocket science.. jeesh, I would think this sort of creative thinking was basic gamer knowledge. I'm not promoting piracy of any kind, but in lack of food, even the devil eats flies...

Safe-Keeper · 03-11-10, 06:06 PM

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Secondly, can't you whiners stick to one thread, let those of us who actually enjoy the game have a neat forum to visit and talk about our fun times with the game. As it is now, a wall of pointless whining posts are greeting you as you enter what used to be one of the neatest, cleanest and most pleasant gaming forum on the web.

You mean make fun OF the game, right? Or do you really mean have fun playing the game? Because the latter statement must mean that you really have your head buried in the ground ignoring all the bugs. This forum is litterred with them.

Way to totally dodge his point

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I agree, those of us who enjoy SH5 do not really appreciate people making threads only to gripe. There's a review thread for those who have the game and dislike it, there's a thread for DRM discussion, and I'm sure an "I hate SH5 and I'm never gonna buy it and I just have to tell you all" thread can be arranged.

I appreciate and welcome dissent, but spamming negative threads at a fan site is little more than plain trolling.

pythos · 03-12-10, 02:42 PM

Anyone here build scale models?

Do you complain to the manufacturer when you see a part in there that makes you go "WTF?". I know I don't. I realize what I have is the parts necessary that with time and patience will become what I want it to be.

The sh series should be viewed like that, from here on out.

Never expect a complete game, just the essentials to get a complete game.

How much was your SH5 copy? 45 bucks.

My Revell Gato submarine was 99 bucks, and all one gets is pieces and parts, some that need some serious redooing or modding for accuracy.

Modding games is far cheaper than building models, and makes for a more functional thing.

03-11-10, 10:31 AM	#2
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Why is it all I ever see nowadays is "When the modders get hold of it" or "When the mods come out" Why should consumers have to finish making a game? __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

03-11-10, 10:34 AM	#3
Bosje Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 732 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	partly because there would be no market for the game i want if they made the game exactly the way i wanted it, they'd sell maybe 100 copies worldwide, so i need community enthousiasts to turn the game into what i would have liked it to be not turn the game into what it should have been in the first place, because it wouldnt be developed in the first place __________________ And when an 800-ton Uboat has you by the tits... you listen!

03-11-10, 11:05 AM	#5
Bosje Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 732 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	true the main problem may be that we are all hugely spoiled by supermods for SH3 and 4, and we expect the new game to be at least as good, with all the new features on top that's apparently a dumb expectation to have and we all bitch about it or we can shrug about it i'm being so mild because i just remembered how much I loved SH2 back when i didnt even have internet, i never knew so much was wrong with it because i didnt know any better. same with SH3 vanilla. after a few months having a great time with SH3, i went online and found this community here, and that's where i learned manual targetting, where i got the supermods going and where i learned what was wrong with the stock game as a result, i hated SH4 when i first got that, because none of it was working exactly like i wanted it to. I'm simply trying to remind myself not to make that mistake again and enjoy everything which is actually great about SH5, when i do decide to buy it __________________ And when an 800-ton Uboat has you by the tits... you listen!

03-11-10, 11:34 AM	#10
Coldcall Chief Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 325 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	While i agree its not right that modders (consumers) should end up having to finnish a product for Ubisoft; there would not be the platform to be modded had no SH5 ever been developed. So for the cost of the game, the sub simulation community has gained a highly moddable engine; (arguably) featuring the best maritime graphics ever created. I reckon SH5 is sort of the new Falcon 4, in that it will end up a great game after a few years intense modding.

03-11-10, 11:36 AM	#12
drtechno Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 48 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think you are misunderstanding. It isn't that they didn't make a game YOU want (realistic sub sim), its just that the game is completely unfinished and riddled with some unplayable bugs. And saddled with a ridiculous DRM system that we have to read about every other day "Ubi servers down again". The bugs and DRM are the problem, not the lack of realism. Read the reviews. It isn't like this game was released, highly polished with minimal problems but was just "too unrealistic" for some. The game, in its released state, was and is garbage. Come on, destroyer groups that maintain course with you and just plow into islands? (that plus the game killing morale bug, UI issues, ships that are in midair and unhittable, etc. etc.) http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=164347&page=2

03-12-10, 02:42 PM	#15
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Anyone here build scale models? Do you complain to the manufacturer when you see a part in there that makes you go "WTF?". I know I don't. I realize what I have is the parts necessary that with time and patience will become what I want it to be. The sh series should be viewed like that, from here on out. Never expect a complete game, just the essentials to get a complete game. How much was your SH5 copy? 45 bucks. My Revell Gato submarine was 99 bucks, and all one gets is pieces and parts, some that need some serious redooing or modding for accuracy. Modding games is far cheaper than building models, and makes for a more functional thing.