Never was so much hoped by so many, and delivered to so few!

bond672 · 03-10-10, 11:34 PM

Dear all,
After playing SH5 i can safely say i have never been so dissapointed in all my life! when i played SH4 i was a kid in a candy store, the gameplay was magical, i felt immersed in the sim. it was great just to stand on the bridge and watch the waves go by.

when i turn to SH5 what do we get? one boat! and the major difference i can tell from SH5 to 4 is the great ripple view from the water on the camera lense!

when you look at the MODS people have done for SH4 it surpases SH5 10000 to 1. the ability to walk through a cabin and ask someone how his wife and kids are is not a huge step up in quality. I am shocked, saddened and dissapointed with this sim. im sure i am not alone in this frustration but if there are people who are deciding to buy this sim, my honest answer would be get SH4 plus uboat missions, install op Monsun and its better than you will ever get with SH5.

the whole internet connection thing is a whole nother matter which i wont go into because its a waste of breath and finger typing.

thanks for reading
regards
Bond

jazman · 03-10-10, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bond672

when you look at the MODS people have done for SH4 it surpases SH5 10000 to 1.

This is a ludicrous lack of perspective.

jwilliams · 03-10-10, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bond672

when you look at the MODS people have done for SH4 it surpases SH5 10000 to 1.
if there are people who are deciding to buy this sim, my honest answer would be get SH4 plus uboat missions, install op Monsun and its better than you will ever get with SH5.

the whole internet connection thing is a whole nother matter which i wont go into because its a waste of breath and finger typing.

thanks for reading
regards
Bond

I never got SH4 because of the unfinished state and bugs. The only reason I've decided to get SH5 is because of the mods. If there were not going to be mods for it, I wouldnt even think about buying it.
I Just hope they release patches and fix the OSP (DRM) side of it, very soon.

Ducimus · 03-10-10, 11:51 PM

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This is a ludicrous lack of perspective.

I take it as a compliment!

(yeah i know.. shameless!)

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I never got SH4 because of the unfinished state and bugs.

Ever hear of a little programming term called inheritance?

jwilliams · 03-11-10, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Ever hear of a little programming term called inheritance?

Yes, and that what Ubisoft Romania have done. Cut and Paste. but didnt bother to fix the problems in the old OOP code.

And seeing what was done by the modders for SH3 & SH4, Is the only reason I would consider buying SH5. If it was not for the modding & modder's ability then SH5 would be a NO GO!

mookiemookie · 03-11-10, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bond672

After playing SH5 i can safely say i have never been so dissapointed in all my life!

Not to be too snarky, but when a video game is the biggest disappointment of your life, it's time to re-evaluate your life.

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when you look at the MODS people have done for SH4 it surpases SH5 10000 to 1.

You're comparing the thousands of hours of work people have done with no deadline on a game that has been out for 3 years to one that has been out for 6 days. Are you serious?

gimpy117 · 03-11-10, 12:38 AM

it is a bit of a let down. right now though its simple things that are holding back. things that we know can be fixed..why? because it's in the code! they could all be fixed easily or enabled quickly!!!

this game reminds me of rise of flight. 1.0 of Rise Of Flight was not very good...but you could see glimmers of what the game could be...and now on 1.11 its actually pretty good. lets SH5 dosent have to wait 5 months to be fixed to that point.

pythos · 03-11-10, 12:52 AM

You know, I have been playing Sh5 with only engine sound patches, and the first UBi patch and this is what I say to all you nay sayers.

STFU.

Aside from the all too easy Auto TDC, Lack of direction indication, and DRM from a stupid place (hell is too good for this dumb idea). I have found the sim to be VERY promising, and an obstanent deck gun crew that just get to happy doing their job.

There are some tweaks that the boat could use, and definitely a return of the best range at said speed, along with depth under keel.

But over all They got a lot of things right. The HULL CREAKS again. As you go deeper it changes to more ominous sounds. The interior is very well done, and once modders or UBI make the crew even more interactive than these baby steps presented here, this is gonna be a good sim.

Sh4 was unfinished and optimized bad. This sim is running quite well on my single core processor, even with the features on except for shadows.

The spray and explosion effects are too slow, but that is because of my single core, which will be replaced soon.

I have not had one ctd, unlike with sh4 the first few minutes I got one.

ONce DRM has gone away, and the modders can have their way with this stock model, we will have a very sweet sim that will exceed Sh3, and that is a bold statement.

03-11-10, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bond672

Dear all,
After playing SH5 i can safely say i have never been so dissapointed in all my life! when i played SH4 i was a kid in a candy store, the gameplay was magical, i felt immersed in the sim. it was great just to stand on the bridge and watch the waves go by.

Firstly, if SH5 is the cause of your biggest disappointment in life, then you have gone through life with a breeze so far.

Secondly, can't you whiners stick to one thread, let those of us who actually enjoy the game have a neat forum to visit and talk about our fun times with the game. As it is now, a wall of pointless whining posts are greeting you as you enter what used to be one of the neatest, cleanest and most pleasant gaming forum on the web.

(the below is pointed at no one special)
If you've been a member of subsim for 3 hours, just bought the game and feel utterly disappointed with it, by no means feel obligated to come here and spill your guts about it for my sake, I don't really give a crap what you think about it unless it's being discussed in one single thread.

PS. A thread I would not participate in, btw.

drtechno · 03-11-10, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Brewtality

Secondly, can't you whiners stick to one thread, let those of us who actually enjoy the game have a neat forum to visit and talk about our fun times with the game. As it is now, a wall of pointless whining posts are greeting you as you enter what used to be one of the neatest, cleanest and most pleasant gaming forum on the web.

You mean make fun OF the game, right? Or do you really mean have fun playing the game? Because the latter statement must mean that you really have your head buried in the ground ignoring all the bugs. This forum is litterred with them.

Kapitan_Phillips · 03-11-10, 10:31 AM

Why is it all I ever see nowadays is "When the modders get hold of it" or "When the mods come out"

Why should consumers have to finish making a game?

Bosje · 03-11-10, 10:34 AM

partly because there would be no market for the game i want

if they made the game exactly the way i wanted it, they'd sell maybe 100 copies worldwide, so i need community enthousiasts to turn the game into what i would have liked it to be

not turn the game into what it should have been in the first place, because it wouldnt be developed in the first place

Kapitan_Phillips · 03-11-10, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosje

partly because there would be no market for the game i want

if they made the game exactly the way i wanted it, they'd sell maybe 100 copies worldwide, so i need community enthousiasts to turn the game into what i would have liked it to be

not turn the game into what it should have been in the first place, because it wouldnt be developed in the first place

I see your point, but from what I see, the mods out right now are for pretty simple things that dont really affect realism, but instead clean up the interface and oversights.

IanC · 03-11-10, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Why should consumers have to finish making a game?

They shouldn't.
But this has somehow, slowly, become the norm with PC games, and gamers just accept it. And it's because they accept it and keep buying (even preordering!) these unfinished games, that the game companies will just keep doing it.
It's some kind of sick, twisted, circle.

sav112 · 03-11-10, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Why should consumers have to finish making a game?

That’s what my main gripe is, that the developers have charged full price for a game that has major bugs and everyone feels it will take mods to make it user friendly with dials, better fog, better water off the deck and probably better Ai and much much more.

What they really needed to do was hire a team of Mod’s and give them a copy of the game that they thought was a releases candidate and came back a few months later and seen what they had done, tested it and then paid them a fair price. (call it
enhancement and fine tuning department)
I’m actually impressed there is a few mods already out for the horrific user interface and some and wave mod’s. I always feel sorry for there unpaid work even if it is rewarding to here the fans appreciate all they do.

I did play BF2 “PR Mod” and it was like a new game. As I said I get the best of both worlds SHV will be £5 in Tesco’s and there will be a few fantastic Mods out by the time i get rounds to buying a new rig and buying the game. But its not right this is the way the industry is working.

03-10-10, 11:34 PM	#1
bond672 Watch Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 23 Downloads: 378 Uploads: 0	Never was so much hoped by so many, and delivered to so few! Dear all, After playing SH5 i can safely say i have never been so dissapointed in all my life! when i played SH4 i was a kid in a candy store, the gameplay was magical, i felt immersed in the sim. it was great just to stand on the bridge and watch the waves go by. when i turn to SH5 what do we get? one boat! and the major difference i can tell from SH5 to 4 is the great ripple view from the water on the camera lense! when you look at the MODS people have done for SH4 it surpases SH5 10000 to 1. the ability to walk through a cabin and ask someone how his wife and kids are is not a huge step up in quality. I am shocked, saddened and dissapointed with this sim. im sure i am not alone in this frustration but if there are people who are deciding to buy this sim, my honest answer would be get SH4 plus uboat missions, install op Monsun and its better than you will ever get with SH5. the whole internet connection thing is a whole nother matter which i wont go into because its a waste of breath and finger typing. thanks for reading regards Bond

03-11-10, 12:38 AM	#7
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	it is a bit of a let down. right now though its simple things that are holding back. things that we know can be fixed..why? because it's in the code! they could all be fixed easily or enabled quickly!!! this game reminds me of rise of flight. 1.0 of Rise Of Flight was not very good...but you could see glimmers of what the game could be...and now on 1.11 its actually pretty good. lets SH5 dosent have to wait 5 months to be fixed to that point. __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army Last edited by gimpy117; 03-11-10 at 12:50 AM.

03-11-10, 10:31 AM	#11
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Why is it all I ever see nowadays is "When the modders get hold of it" or "When the mods come out" Why should consumers have to finish making a game? __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

03-11-10, 10:34 AM	#12
Bosje Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 732 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	partly because there would be no market for the game i want if they made the game exactly the way i wanted it, they'd sell maybe 100 copies worldwide, so i need community enthousiasts to turn the game into what i would have liked it to be not turn the game into what it should have been in the first place, because it wouldnt be developed in the first place __________________ And when an 800-ton Uboat has you by the tits... you listen!

03-11-10, 12:52 AM	#8
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	You know, I have been playing Sh5 with only engine sound patches, and the first UBi patch and this is what I say to all you nay sayers. STFU. Aside from the all too easy Auto TDC, Lack of direction indication, and DRM from a stupid place (hell is too good for this dumb idea). I have found the sim to be VERY promising, and an obstanent deck gun crew that just get to happy doing their job. There are some tweaks that the boat could use, and definitely a return of the best range at said speed, along with depth under keel. But over all They got a lot of things right. The HULL CREAKS again. As you go deeper it changes to more ominous sounds. The interior is very well done, and once modders or UBI make the crew even more interactive than these baby steps presented here, this is gonna be a good sim. Sh4 was unfinished and optimized bad. This sim is running quite well on my single core processor, even with the features on except for shadows. The spray and explosion effects are too slow, but that is because of my single core, which will be replaced soon. I have not had one ctd, unlike with sh4 the first few minutes I got one. ONce DRM has gone away, and the modders can have their way with this stock model, we will have a very sweet sim that will exceed Sh3, and that is a bold statement.