Internet connection experiences problems (merged)

[Exakt]

This DRM (anti-piracy solutin) is totally bogus... like some said, they aren't punishing the pirates or the end-users of those cracked version, but the legitimate buyer...

The last time I saw a proper anti-piracy system was back with Operation Flashpoint, where when using a copy, over time, the gameplay would "fade out"... basically, making the game progressively unplayable, even after a reinstall... It would force you to buy the game to actually finish it... but saddly, publishers think of this of a way too easy way to stop piracy...

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by RSColonel_131st

I'd have prefered a straight link instead of having to google myself, but fair enough.

Still, what is UBI doing to secure their servers against the (always present) threat of a hack attack? Did they simple think DDOS is a myth and it can't happen to them?

What will they say if their power goes out, or a hurricane floods their data centre? Have they secured their network against such things? Or is this also "Not UBI's fault"?

See... this is the logic I can't wrap my head around.

This isn't a case where a bunch of morons just decided to pick Ubisoft as the target of the day.

The hackers are running the attack because they failed to completely crack the DRM. They see this as "payback" for nothing more than Ubisoft coming up with a system of DRM that they can't break. They know that doing this will create a situation where the only peopple who can even partially play the game are the theives who have stolen it.... but they go ahead anyway. Screw you paying customer... it their "honor" at stake.

All of this "DOS attacks are an ordinary part of the internet experience" just doesn't wash in this case. This is targeted and planned specifically to prevent you from using you legitimate copy of SH 5.

And you know how they do it? In a lot of cases by putting viruses on your PC that allow them to take control of your pc to run the attack. Where is the outrage about this? Where are the thousands of posts on the hacker sites condemming them for this?

No... everyone trots down to Subsim and vents their anger at Ubisoft. A few even applaud the hackers.

Sure Ubisoft could probably have been more prepared than they were/are, but they are not running the attacks. If their servers went down due to poor maintenance or bad management that would be one thing. But no one can protect themselves against an organized and persistant attack. And if you don't believe me pick up a copy of this month's Atlantic Magazine and do some research on the subject. Or call the D.O.D. Or any major power utility in North America. or the CIA. Or the FBI.

JCC

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Fincuan

Since people are apparently "finding excuses to hate Ubi" does that mean you personally are satisfied with Ubisoft's actions so far?

I think it is very early days and that Ubisoft underestimated how morally insane and ethically bankrupt these cretins are.

Now that Ubisoft knows the magnituide of the problem I will reserve my judgement until I can see, for myself, how they respond. From what I can see they have a few options. My opinions will be informed by which one(s) they go with.

JCC

[Brag]

Originally Posted by BP

I blame UBI for bringing this DRM in the first place they should have never have forced this on gamers. I don't have the game and i wont buy the game until this DRM is removed.

Some of us spent a lot of time exposing the deficiencies of DRM/OSP.
If no one had bought, Ubi would have removed the OSP by now.

Those who bought the game and are now revealing the DRM and game gliches are doing the unwary buyers a great favor.

My wallet is shut. I don't have OSP problems.

If Ubi removes OSP, I might buy.

[IanC]

I think the point is that we shouldn't need to be online to begin with.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by John Channing

And you know how they do it? In a lot of cases by putting viruses on your PC that allow them to take control of your pc to run the attack. Where is the outrage about this? Where are the thousands of posts on the hacker sites condemming them for this?

JCC

+1

Originally Posted by IanC

I think the point is that we shouldn't need to be online to begin with.

Ok, bring the dead horse.

[Commie]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hello,
i'm certainly also annoyed, but i am not so sure that it is not just UBIsoft fingerpointing at "pirates", but being responsible itself. After more than a million games sold (only internet info - don't know if it's really that number) maybe the log-in capacity was indeed simply overrun. Maybe sub games are not such a niche product ?

If submarine games sold a million copies, then EVERY major developer would be making simulators of all types year after year! They don't, I wonder why?

[Letum]

I have little sympathy for anyone who knew about the DRM, still bought
the game and now wants to complain about the DRM and/or the downtimes.
They are complaining about a system that they supported with your wallet.
That makes them just as much to blame for the DRM as Ubisoft and pirates.

[longam]

Originally Posted by Letum

I have little sympathy for anyone who knew about the DRM, still bought
the game and now wants to complain about the DRM and/or the downtimes.
They are complaining about a system that they supported with your wallet.
That makes them just as much to blame for the DRM as Ubisoft and pirates.

Who is complaining (beside you'all), I'm enjoying the game.

@Neal - I told you crop circles are real.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Méo

Ok, bring the dead horse.

I think that dead horse comment is even more of a dead horse
Besides, call it what you want, it's still the crux of the problem.

[Commie]

Originally Posted by John Channing

See... this is the logic I can't wrap my head around.

This isn't a case where a bunch of morons just decided to pick Ubisoft as the target of the day.

The hackers are running the attack because they failed to completely crack the DRM. They see this as "payback" for nothing more than Ubisoft coming up with a system of DRM that they can't break. They know that doing this will create a situation where the only peopple who can even partially play the game are the theives who have stolen it.... but they go ahead anyway. Screw you paying customer... it their "honor" at stake.

All of this "DOS attacks are an ordinary part of the internet experience" just doesn't wash in this case. This is targeted and planned specifically to prevent you from using you legitimate copy of SH 5.

And you know how they do it? In a lot of cases by putting viruses on your PC that allow them to take control of your pc to run the attack. Where is the outrage about this? Where are the thousands of posts on the hacker sites condemming them for this?

No... everyone trots down to Subsim and vents their anger at Ubisoft. A few even applaud the hackers.

Sure Ubisoft could probably have been more prepared than they were/are, but they are not running the attacks. If their servers went down due to poor maintenance or bad management that would be one thing. But no one can protect themselves against an organized and persistant attack. And if you don't believe me pick up a copy of this month's Atlantic Magazine and do some research on the subject. Or call the D.O.D. Or any major power utility in North America. or the CIA. Or the FBI.

JCC

i want to go to the country with my Lappie and play the game...err I can't no internet. I want to disconnect my internet cause I'm moving house but still want to play...err I can't. My internet provider does a server upgrade that lasts a day...err can't play my game etc. etc.

Stop blaming the hackers, martians, bicyclists! Fact is the DRM is cracked, get over it. People that have problems just aren't using the crack right. Don't try to scare people about the viruses on the cracks line either. That's old hat. You get your crack from a private site and it's clean as a whistle. You've been sponging up too much corporate propaganda from Norton and the like. Pirates don't give a toss about UBI or making a statement. Why would they risk exposing themselves? The blame is SOLELY UBISOFT'S and their draconian, idiotic DRM. Even if their servers don't go down so what? If I want to play the game somewhere else without a reliable internet connection or none at all I can't!

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Letum

I have little sympathy for anyone who knew about the DRM, still bought

You don't need to, I didn't experienced any problem with OSP.

(but of course I've experienced problems with the unfinished state of the game, but that isn't the point of this thread).

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by Commie

Fact is the DRM is cracked, get over it. People that have problems just aren't using the crack right.

Yes its sad that DRM has come this far (always on internet) but its a system that Ubi feels is needed to protect their software. They beleive that it has worked.

So if you feel that Ubi are wrong and its been cracked... tell them where this crack that works is, and how to use it. (you can do this anonmosly)
Because Ubi will not remove that always online part unless its proved that the games have been cracked.
The cracks Ubisoft (and other news websites that ive read) have tested claim the cracks just turn the games into demos. that you cannot complete the game using crack.
Ubi's games require data from OSP to enable the completion of missions.

SO PROVE THEM WRONG. and we all get OSP patched out.

[sabretwo]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Sell, SH5, sell! I want to see patches and this series continue.

How about rooting for the death of DRM so the rest of us can buy the game too?

Why buy a game that you can't play? (At least in my case and the thousands of others with bad Internet or who play on the road.)

No tear shed over here for UBI.

I wonder how many sales UBI is loosing over all of this? I can only wonder if the number of pirates now buying the game is anything compared to the legions standing on the sidelines now waving their middle finger at UBI or the number of previous "good citizens" now compelled to use the "bad word" in order to play the game when and how they like?

So stupid, this whole thing.

AFAIC, UBI gets what they deserve.

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by sabretwo

I wonder how many sales UBI is loosing over all of this?

None if the latest sales for PC games are to go buy. Every game with OSP is in the top ten for games sold last week.

So looks like OSP is here to stay.