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[Reece]

At the beginning of this thread mention is made of free downloads for "Seawolves" is this a reference to mods in general or the actual pirated version by X1, a bit lazy to read through 20 pages of threads.
Thanks.

Woops, Hope you didn't read this thread before I edited it Syxx_Killer?, talk about foot-in-mouth disease.
I should have read the whole post first before making comments, someone kick my ass please.

[Beery]

Originally Posted by NZ_Wanderer

I haven't really been posting actively , but I feel that Matrix hi-up's (people in charge) should be informed about this whole thing just incase they do not know about it...

Matrix management are already aware of the issue, but I'm not too optimistic. A high-level member of the Matrix staff (Marc Schwanebeck - a guy who has proved to me that he's a very dishonourable character) is also one of the guys who worked on SeaWolves, so it would be relatively easy for him to pull the wool over the eyes of the Matrix Games management team. The other thing is that this Marc Schwanebeck character is also a moderator at the Matrix forums, and it's amazing how often posts about X1 and SeaWolves get locked or deleted. So I would advise anyone who wants to contact the Matrix Games staff to do so directly. Posting on the forums probably won't do much good.

[joea]

Originally Posted by Reece

At the beginning of this thread mention is made of free downloads for "Seawolves" is this a reference to mods in general or the actual pirated version by X1, a bit lazy to read through 20 pages of threads.
Thanks.

Just read the thread above, was the X1 seawolves created or pirated by Syxx_Killer? I knew he was not impressed by the negative feedback he got when mentioning a CD of accumulated mods into a single mod for sale of $5 + post, but certainl wouldn't have thought he would go this far.
Hmmm, don't think I want a pirate copy of the pirate copy now!

Wooah you better read the whole thread then. Syxx_Killer had nothing to do with this "project"

[Syxx_Killer]

HHeelloo. How did I get associated with this thing? I won't have anything to do with this mod.

Originally Posted by Reece

Woops, Hope you didn't read this thread before I edited it Syxx_Killer?

I can read it in the quote, though. :P

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by Shadow9216

... Abraham, I'd also like your help when I get everything assembled...

I'm your man (again) * cough*

I think I am on one line again with you and I'll be happy to work something out with you. Send me a p.m. when you need me.

@ Nopileo:
I'm happy to do something in return for our modders.

@ Shadow9216:
By now I am convinced that there is enough positive respons to proceed with making a draft.

@ Wulfmann:
I'm happy that you broke your self-imposted exile. There is nothing against a dissenting opinion.
But this time we agree totally. As far as I am concerned there will be no "accusations of things modders created; that X-1 was going to steal."
My idea when I restarte this thread was to make Matrix aware on behalf of some or many subsim.commers that there might be a problem with Seawolves / X 1 and to present them the facts as we know them.
I don't think that we should tell Matrix how to react, that's their responsability.
Personally I also think that if Matrix would not answer us or give us a negative answer and would support the Seawolves / X 1 project, the community should not react anymore. In my view this should be a "one ping only" action, just to make sure that Matrix hears us..
It would then be everybodies personal responsability to decide to be mad, protest, send mails, boycott the product or let the thing just go...

@ Beery:
Of course this letter should be sent directly at Matrix. And since it really has no other goal then to make Matrix officially aware of our concerns, it might be wise not to post it at their forum. Leaves them more options open for their reaction.
But I think Shadow9216 and I should work the details of the draft out and then present our action to Neal and the community, probably on a special thread simultaniously on several forums.
Then there should be a second round of discussions, not like this one about sending a notification or not, but about the specific content of our draft.
That part is gonna be fun for Shadow and me...


@ John Channing and all:
1. I hope you see that we intend to proceed very carefully and will restrain from anything that might be seen as accusations.
2. We'll consult Neal & the whole community all the way on this and/or a new forum, because we need broad support from you all. Your initial reactions on our community.
3. I fully agree with JCC that if we make any reference to the Subsim.com site we'll need Neal's approval.

Anything else and I would be out of this project.

In the meantime I suggest that you, John, make this thread a sticky, because it's easier for the community to react and we'll need your feedback...

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by Abraham

In the meantime I suggest that you, John, make this thread a sticky, because it's easier for the community to react and we'll need your feedback...

Done. Please make a new topic when you´ve finished the draft.

[Abraham]

That's the idea...
But first everybody who can has to send factual info to Shadow9216

Originally Posted by Shadow9216

To all modders, well-wishers, etc:
If you would like to PM me factual accounts of your dealings with X1 and/or Seewolves, I will try to put them into some sort of cogent presentation, properly documented and attributed where appropriate, which I will them submit for approval. Please forward copies of e-mails. PMs, etc, include dates when available. References to X1 material appearing in the press would also be helpful.

[Officerpuppy]

I've been away from the SH3 commnity for a long long time ever since I literally had to throw out my computer to the curb. So all of this is new to me again etc.

Now my question is, are companies really allowed to market user-created mods? To my knowledge I always though it went in a certain order so to speak, company releases game, gamers mod game. Now it seems like, company relases game, gamers mod game, new company is born and mods game then market's its product back to gamers.

[Ostfriese]

According to German game magazine Gamestar (website) KOCH MEDIA will publish Seewölfe in Germany.

Price will be around €30 ($36)

[Abraham]

Ahoy Shadow9216!
Any progress, need any help?
If so, send a p.m.

Greetings,
Abraham

[Shadow9216]

Haven't had a single response from anyone. At this point, all we really have is supposition, and no real proof. Sure, we have the admissions by X1 representatives and the confimations from some of the modders, but nothing definitively proving a link between person(s) at Matrix Games and X1. Anything I include would be speculative; without direct evidence, Matrix has every reason to dismiss our allegations.

With the long weekend coming up, I may try to put together what I can and send it to you, but I feel that it will fall far short of what we had initially hoped to do.

[Abraham]

WHERE ARE ALL THOSE ANGRY MODDERS?
They applaud us for coming to their help but don't deliver the stones to build a defence!
Perhaps somebody should make a posting on the Modders forum...

[Seeadler]

Originally Posted by Ostfriese

According to German game magazine Gamestar (website) KOCH MEDIA will publish Seewölfe in Germany.
Price will be around €30 ($36)

24,99€ at the online shop of KOCH MEDIA.
http://www.softunity.com/ECD008173D/...o94vXFzFTU1iZ/

[larsen]

Mmmm, interesting... They also state SH3 sold about 80000 copies. Good figure...

[Hotwire]

Well, I got to page 8 of this thread, then found a bottle of vodka in tube 4, passed out.. and woke up somewhere east of Montana.

Basically..

*Insert arrow pointing down here.*