Should the devs be blamed ?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

It's an easy cop out to say "The boss made me do it."

The devs should be held accountable for some aspects of this game that was under their control.

Underwater bug? Since /3? And it's in this iteration, too? Seriously?

Come on. It's always easy to blame corporate executives. Sometimes negligence has a partner, that's all I'm saying.

I disagree with number one sentence. Not a cop out. It is retaining a job. And or retaining a working atmosphere one enjoys.

HOWEVER....I agree with your second assessment! Bugs from two games ago are still present and accounted for here today with this release. Good observation sir!

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I disagree with number one sentence. Not a cop out. It is retaining a job. And or retaining a working atmosphere one enjoys.

its easy enough to test this, if Iron Budokan would refuse to do what his boss tells him to do and just goes do whatever he himself thinks is best then he can report back to us if his boss thanks him for doing whats right or not.

lets see what happens

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Webster

its easy enough to test this, if Iron Budokan would refuse to do what his boss tells him to do and just goes do whatever he himself thinks is best then he can report back to us if his boss thanks him for doing whats right or not.

lets see what happens

I can attest to telling the boss what to do. Once I told my boss to go F himself. I was not going to do what he wanted. Two months later I'm here at a totally different company. Much better off I might add! But yeah, he is the boss for a reason. It is boss and employee. Not Board of Trustees.

I've heard a lot of fellows in life say "We were only doing what we were ordered to do." - unfortunately with mostly dire consequences. I suppose it depends on how you view your contribution to life...

Uber I am personaly growing rather bored of your angst ridden topics. You should take a break.

Hahaha....well there you go my friend, just add me to your ignore list - problem solved.

I'm opening this thread back up in case you want to reply, call me an appeaser, etc.

Thanks for opening it back up but am at a loss as to why you closed it, or indeed what it is you want me to reply to. Perhaps you could send me a PM ?

Cheers, UG

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

I've heard a lot of fellows in life say "We were only doing what we were ordered to do." - unfortunately with mostly dire consequences. I suppose it depends on how you view your contribution to life...


Hahaha....well there you go my friend, just add me to your ignore list - problem solved.

When you grow up and get a Real life adult job, you will understand..

btw an Allowance isn't a Real Job...

[CCIP]

Gruber, no problem with discussion, but... why do we need to play the blame game? Does it really matter now? I think the only net result here isn't arriving at some kind of analytical truth, it's spoiling positive attitudes and what's to date been a reasonably good relation between the devs and the community. Figuring out WHAT is wrong, and HOW to fix it is productive at this stage. Asking WHO to blame for it... where will that get us? Nowhere.

[HundertzehnGustav]

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let being helpful
be more impoprtant
than being right

SHV forum Motto?
Lets rip this game apart and reassemble as we see fit.

Blame game
pack3d, hexeditor and Photoshop

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

As has been posted before.... The Devs can make suggestions to the publisher (Ubisoft) but they still work for them and do as their told.

Simple concept, why are most of you so thick to understand it.

Go tell your boss your going to do it YOUR way instead of his and, see how long YOU have a job.

Post #21

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Still all to SLOW HUH ???

Please stop all the long winded posts all you fast "touch typist secretarys"

@ Neal... Maybe after all members get their preorders and play and post their opinions... You can put your easy going foot down and SAY ... OK now we work positively and FIX IT!!! And quit wasting energy laying blame.

Neal... It's your way or... the Hiway.

btwe Neal aren't these new mods kool ?

post#30

Originally Posted by Webster

its easy enough to test this, if Iron Budokan would refuse to do what his boss tells him to do and just goes do whatever he himself thinks is best then he can report back to us if his boss thanks him for doing whats right or not.

lets see what happens

Your wasteing your breath WEBSTER

Their all on a roll or mission and showing to other Websites how "THICK" we are... Well some of us anyways.

[HundertzehnGustav]

so now the dev teamm has the opportunity why we should not point fingers at them, or point guns at them?

very nice. very very nice.
if i was one of the devteam, i would not answer.
i dont expect one of them to do so. They aint exactly "stupid" you know...

[Highbury]

In another thread, started by urfisch, Dan took the time to respond as best he could to complaints about SH5. So why is there another thread calling out devs to respond? We have already had a good honest response, more then most companies will give you.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...1&postcount=20

Also, in that reply from Dan he mentioned that the separation between "devs" and "suits" only exists on the Subsim forum. In his opinion they are one and the same (both are Ubi in his opinion) and should be discussed as such.

What is the point of this thread?

[Iron Budokan]

Originally Posted by Webster

its easy enough to test this, if Iron Budokan would refuse to do what his boss tells him to do and just goes do whatever he himself thinks is best then he can report back to us if his boss thanks him for doing whats right or not.

lets see what happens

You wouldn't know this, and that's cool. But I used to do geophysical work for Texaco in the 80s. I was making a veritable TON of money. I finally had enough (all the horror stories you heard about oil companies and how they treat people are true) and I walked out and never looked back.

Yes. Believe it or not some people do have principles. Some people.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

You wouldn't know this, and that's cool. But I used to do geophysical work for Texaco in the 80s. I was making a veritable TON of money. I finally had enough (all the horror stories you heard about oil companies and how they treat people are true) and I walked out and never looked back.

Yes. Believe it or not some people do have principles. Some people.

Sure. I completely understand. I told my boss to go F himself because I did have enough of the crap after 11 years. I knew what would follow. So yeah, one can only get beat to death for so long before they tell the other to shove.

[AVGWarhawk]

Thanks for opening it back up but am at a loss as to why you closed it, or indeed what it is you want me to reply to. Perhaps you could send me a PM ?

Cheers, UG

Neal shut it because of another member. Not what you were doing. Member subsequently excommunicated from SS. Thread reopened. Carry on!

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

You wouldn't know this, and that's cool. But I used to do geophysical work for Texaco in the 80s. I was making a veritable TON of money. I finally had enough (all the horror stories you heard about oil companies and how they treat people are true) and I walked out and never looked back.

Yes. Believe it or not some people do have principles. Some people.

Kinda Thank you on the Bio of your DADS job.

Give us a break junior.

[Onkel Neal]

I've heard a lot of fellows in life say "We were only doing what we were ordered to do." - unfortunately with mostly dire consequences. I suppose it depends on how you view your contribution to life...

Yes, I imagine in real life you are a pillar of individuality. You own your own business, right? No one tells you what job you should do. No wife to compromise with either?

I think Dan made it pretty clear to most of us that the Devs accept the blame for missing milestones and not having the game ready at the projected release date. What do you expect, a handwritten apology for every anonymous schmoo who calls them out in a public forum?

This is why developers very rarely interact with a community forum, they can never satisfy all the demands and questions and whining.

Whatever caused it: overambitious game design, bad time management, sneaking off to the taco truck too often, attending a meeting in Copenhagen to demo the game before a group of players, mistakes, oversights, etc. who knows? I'm going to say I doubt it was lack of ability, they have nothing to prove. SH3 and SH4 are fantastic subsims.

You have a choice, buy the game or not. Make it and move on, we're running a forum here for submarine sim enthusiasts.