SH5 V1.01 Ships, aircraft, and submarines

Frederf · 03-03-10, 02:46 AM

A million battleships... two craft smaller than a destroyer. KEEP THE QUALITY COMIN' UBI.

iambecomelife · 03-03-10, 02:55 AM

Based on the types of merchants included tonnage scores will be too high. The Liberty, Victory, and Cimarron were very large merchants for their time; the C-1 and C-2 were quite big too. In real life, even oceangoing convoys would sometimes have few ships over 6,000 GRT. Coastal convoys often had nothing but merchants of 500 - 2,000 GRT.

CCIP · 03-03-10, 03:03 AM

Yeah. I'm surprised at that actually since SHIV did a much better job in that regard - they didn't have "sea trucks" but they did include a few good classes of small merchant/transport ships of lower tonnage. Here the tonnage range is definitely more in the vein of SHIII's defaults or even higher. When I play, I just try to put it down to wartime over-claims.

Frederf: not sure what your particular beef is there. It's been mostly the same in the previous two SH games and frankly escort-wise, the list is pretty adequate if not in any way impressive. The merchant list however could use a bit of beefing up, and I would have rather seen more of those than battleships.

alexradu89 · 03-03-10, 03:17 AM

I don't understand

did they add some new ships in the patch ?

dize · 03-03-10, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Yeah.... The merchant list however could use a bit of beefing up, and I would have rather seen more of those than battleships.

i cant believe this. this is probably one of the top 3 bummers of sh5 for me yet. do we actualy get less merchants in sh5 than in sh3 and sh4?!

sergei · 03-03-10, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dize

do we actualy get less merchants in sh5 than in sh3 and sh4?!

I'm afraid so. Yeah sure, the nice big shiny capital ships look lovely, but I am going to be spending 90% of my time hunting merchants.
A quick look in the museum shows the Brits have 2 tanker types and 6 merchant types. Sure they do look good, but there's just not enough of 'em. I was hoping for at least double these numbers.

Steeltrap · 03-03-10, 07:50 AM

It's an inevitable consequence of appealing to a mass-market that neither knows nor cares what the reality was when it comes to the stats on the GRT of ships sunk by U-boats in WWII.

Plus there's the pressure of racking up big scores in the mission system.

It shouldn't surprise anyone. SH3 was the same.

Pablo · 03-03-10, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by iambecomelife

Based on the types of merchants included tonnage scores will be too high. The Liberty, Victory, and Cimarron were very large merchants for their time; the C-1 and C-2 were quite big too. In real life, even oceangoing convoys would sometimes have few ships over 6,000 GRT. Coastal convoys often had nothing but merchants of 500 - 2,000 GRT.

Well,

It sounds like someone has their work cut out for them....

03-03-10, 02:55 AM	#2
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,706 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	Based on the types of merchants included tonnage scores will be too high. The Liberty, Victory, and Cimarron were very large merchants for their time; the C-1 and C-2 were quite big too. In real life, even oceangoing convoys would sometimes have few ships over 6,000 GRT. Coastal convoys often had nothing but merchants of 500 - 2,000 GRT. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

03-03-10, 03:03 AM	#3
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Yeah. I'm surprised at that actually since SHIV did a much better job in that regard - they didn't have "sea trucks" but they did include a few good classes of small merchant/transport ships of lower tonnage. Here the tonnage range is definitely more in the vein of SHIII's defaults or even higher. When I play, I just try to put it down to wartime over-claims. Frederf: not sure what your particular beef is there. It's been mostly the same in the previous two SH games and frankly escort-wise, the list is pretty adequate if not in any way impressive. The merchant list however could use a bit of beefing up, and I would have rather seen more of those than battleships. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-03-10, 02:46 AM	#1
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	A million battleships... two craft smaller than a destroyer. KEEP THE QUALITY COMIN' UBI.

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alexradu89 Lieutenant Join Date: May 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 259 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	I don't understand did they add some new ships in the patch ?

03-03-10, 07:50 AM	#7
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	It's an inevitable consequence of appealing to a mass-market that neither knows nor cares what the reality was when it comes to the stats on the GRT of ships sunk by U-boats in WWII. Plus there's the pressure of racking up big scores in the mission system. It shouldn't surprise anyone. SH3 was the same.