Support the Community - DONT BUY SHV

[himlaviz]

I survived the NGE, I can take this as well.

I am going to buy Silent Hunter 5, because I want to support the development of sub games, whatever it's more or less simulation but SH5 do seem to be taking am interesting approach to playing the captain.

Forums?
Well, it brings out the best and worst in the community sometimes I miss the good old days when you would read about a game in some computer/game magazine or just see it in the shop and buy it. Play it for what it was and don't hack it to pieces and loose the magic.

Now it's a year or more waiting and over analyzing the game and build up expectations and feel ripped off in the end...

[jazman]

I didn't find the original post to be bizarre or out of line or like some Draconian edict demanding Scorched Earth and Death to Traitors. It could lead to some good discussion of what it means to support this community. We might realize that what holds this community together is thinner even than water. Some of the reaction, though, is downright hysterical. I especially like the references to "Nazis" and "Jihad" and "bullying." Good reactionary entertainment.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by jazman

Some of the reaction, though, is downright hysterical. I especially like the references to "Nazis" and "Jihad" and "bullying." Good reactionary entertainment.

I think you are misunderstanding. The comparison was made that those who were buying this game were the same as Nazi supporters. That is not something that was made up in this thread by those objecting to the OP... it was an actual comparison made to stop people buying the game. People are objecting to that and quite rightly I think.

[jazman]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

I think you are misunderstanding. The comparison was made that those who were buying this game were the same as Nazi supporters. That is not something that was made up in this thread by those objecting to the OP... it was an actual comparison made to stop people buying the game. People are objecting to that and quite rightly I think.

No, you were the one, in post #35, to mention "Nazi" first. The OP never said anything about Nazi, in fact, no one did until you did:

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

When people who are buying a game are compared to people who collaborated with the Nazis, you know something's gone wrong.

Go read the OP again. There isn't even the word "collaborate" in there. In fact, YOU said it first.

[Heretic]

Jazman, a lot of stuff folks are fed up with are not specifically related to the text of the original poster. They're spread out in many other threads.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by jazman

No, you were the one, in post #35, to mention "Nazi" first. The OP never said anything about Nazi, in fact, no one did until you did:

Go read the OP again. There isn't even the word "collaborate" in there. In fact, YOU said it first.

I didn't say the OP mentioned it. I didn't say it first. It does help though if you are familiar with this particular issue, it does tend to invade lots of different threads and the arguments are never seperate and distinct. The inference was made in this thread:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162331

I would point out the post, but it would of benefit to you to read the whole thread, to see how quickly an innocent thread went south. This thread is, I believe, a direct result of that thread.

So, here we go, the comparison to Nazi collaborators was made as an attempt to disuade people from buying the game. The people who are complaining about it are not making it up. Thanks.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

I didn't say the OP mentioned it. I didn't say it first. It does help though if you are familiar with this particular issue, it does tend to invade lots of different threads and the arguments are never seperate and distinct. The inference was made in this thread:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162331

I would point out the post, but it would of benefit to you to read the whole thread, to see how quickly an innocent thread went south. This thread is, I believe, a direct result of that thread.

So, here we go, the comparison to Nazi collaborators was made as an attempt to disuade people from buying the game. The people who are complaining about it are not making it up. Thanks.

lol, well they can call me Nazi collaberating ubisoft fanboy poo poo face for all I care.
Im buying the game and if anyone here has a problem with that they can well.... piss off and mind there own business (to put it bluntly)

[SteamWake]

I'm not so inclined as to tell anyone wether or not to buy the product.

It is their decision.

I've made mine you make yours. Lets see where the chips fall.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by himlaviz

I survived the NGE, I can take this as well.

I am going to buy Silent Hunter 5, because I want to support the development of sub games, whatever it's more or less simulation but SH5 do seem to be taking am interesting approach to playing the captain.

Forums?
Well, it brings out the best and worst in the community sometimes I miss the good old days when you would read about a game in some computer/game magazine or just see it in the shop and buy it. Play it for what it was and don't hack it to pieces and loose the magic.

Now it's a year or more waiting and over analyzing the game and build up expectations and feel ripped off in the end...

I feel the same way. I love discussing what is good about a sim and what could be better, and what is not good. But over the last 10 years, it seems like most people are primed to find faults with the game, jump to baseless conclusions, nitpick, and take things to extremes. So much angst!

My prayer is that SH5 sells fairly well, they release a 2nd patch in 6 weeks and sales pick up, another patch in 3 months and they see a spike in sales, etc until they get the game completed. So, for the skeptics and protesters, they might be just what we need...if they will come onboard at exactly the right time.

PS: I'm also going to add to my wish list: if the DRM is cracked, Ubi should release a no-online patch immediately. If the DRM lasts 6 months, it would be nice if they would release a patch that means online for activation. I know they won't say this is their plan up front...and it may not be in their plans. But I hope.

[Capt.Warner]

What is DRM?Is this similar to starforce because that was a pain in SH3.

[Cptn_Enth]

I'm with you, Neal...here's to hoping that Ubi does the right thing. I'm looking forward to getting my copy on Tuesday and forming my own opinions on the product.

You're absolutely correct, though...forums these days typically end up places for people to go and "Tilt at Windmills", railiing about real and perceived errors and imperfections and discussions usually end up turning into a parody of the old SNL skit "POINT/COUNTERPOINT" where Dan Akroyd and Jane Curtain slug it out verbally over some pre-determined topic...Usually with Dan Akroyd starting his counter-argument with "Jane, you ignorant slut..."


Anyway, I'm looking forward to losing sleep over SH-V...I hope it will be worth it.

Regards,

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Capt.Warner

What is DRM?Is this similar to starforce because that was a pain in SH3.

DRM = Digital Rights managment, and yes Starforce was a type of DRM
but it was nothing compared to Ubis latest 'ball and chain' idea