stop whining !! Now !! - Page 5

Bubblehead1980 · 02-18-10, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by janh

Hmmh, reading this thread I wonder who is the whiner here and what/who is being whined about? A few very young pals getting upset that someone critisizes their new toy?

I think at Subsim there are a lot of old customers that have bought at least one of the previous silent hunter titles, and who voice their honest critique and expectations as to what they would call an improvement of SHIII, and what they would like to see and what is not an important part of a simulation engine for them. Some, eh most of the people here (see polls, hard numbers are luckily not discussable) also voice their strong disagreements with the "single player online DRM", which come with significant disadvantages and clearly hits the truthful customer more than piracy. For some, like me, the OSP/DRM is a not a way I can go -- because I simply don't have reliable internet at all times, and also because of principle (why does single player need a permanent connection? Why would my car need to be permanently be connected to a gas station?????)

I am presently out of country and have a slow internet connection here in Rio. Bad luck some would say, but I would say a customer less. It just doesn't work for me.

Well said Jah.While I am not an old customer, SH 4 was first SH game I have owned and first subsim I ever played, I love it, esp with the great mods.While I prefer US side of things, just find it more interesting, I planned to purchase and play SH 5 in order to support the franchise and see the next evolution, assumed it would be great.However, the letters DRM changed that for me.Things changed not because my internet is unreliable, it is actually very reliable but out of principle.I am in my early 20's and one thing serious issue I have with most people my age is they have no principles or do(pretend) they don't mind bending them for the smallest reasons.I have mine and do my best to adhere to them.DRM is an example of whats wrong with business and only way to stop it is to make it known that many of us disapprove and make their sales figures lower.Perhaps they will learn, I bet they will.
I think it does boil down to what you said, certain members do not want their new toy to be picked apart for its oh so obvious flaws...DRM, arcadish look etc

UnSalted · 02-18-10, 05:33 PM

Can I whine about the whiners who are whining about the gameplay whiners or can I whine about the whiners who are whining about the DRM whiners or can I whine about the whiners who whine about the free speech whiners?

How about the I WANNA WHINE PERIOD users? Gawd you folks have made this SO confusing, I think I'll just whine about the people in doublewides who dare breathe Neal's air.

Heretic · 02-18-10, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UnSalted

Can I whine about the whiners who are whining about the gameplay whiners or can I whine about the whiners who are whining about the DRM whiners or can I whine about the whiners who whine about the free speech whiners?

How about the I WANNA WHINE PERIOD users? Gawd you folks have made this SO confusing, I think I'll just whine about the people in doublewides who dare breathe Neal's air.

another sub-forum

Bubblehead1980 · 02-18-10, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Well, actually, I know I wont be able to live up to that high standard since I can complain with the best of them....

Posters are free to post their gripes about DRM/Uplay to their heart's content, but once you have posted the same argument 10-20 times and analysed every side of the issue to death, do we have to keep seeing the same posts ad nauseum?

No one here is happy about Uplay, but I am willing to give Ubisoft the benefit of the doubt and give SH5 a try. Some players here are actually planning to buy SH5 and would like to be able to discuss issues pertaining to the game, without having the DRM/Uplay issue brought up in every thread. Are'nt they entitled to some consideration as well?

Of course they are entitled to consideration, just like those of us who deserve not to be called whiners because we have concerns about SH 5, feel UBI does not deserve the benefit of the doubt on this one and voice those concerns via the forums.I understand it has been a well discussed hot issue and remains so and lets face it, it prob will for a long while.I have made a few posts on it myself, usually responding to someone, that is the point of a forum.Still, can't label someone a whiner because they are discussing an issue and have a dissenting view.

martes86 · 02-18-10, 05:50 PM

You guys realize that this thread, as it stands right now, has one single purpose, which is to get people to write for nothing and kick each other's asses, right? It's not healthy.

BTW, Firewall, why does your link redirect me to Subsim with a different forum skin?

Bubblehead1980 · 02-18-10, 05:52 PM

I realized that but what can I say, I love a good argument.Perhaps I plan to attend Law School this year?

V.C. Sniper · 02-18-10, 06:00 PM

y learn law when instead you can learn something thats actually beneficial to humanity?

Bilge_Rat · 02-18-10, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Of course they are entitled to consideration, just like those of us who deserve not to be called whiners because we have concerns about SH 5, feel UBI does not deserve the benefit of the doubt on this one and voice those concerns via the forums.I understand it has been a well discussed hot issue and remains so and lets face it, it prob will for a long while.I have made a few posts on it myself, usually responding to someone, that is the point of a forum.Still, can't label someone a whiner because they are discussing an issue and have a dissenting view.

So why do you need to label players who disagree with you as sheep or other such demeaning comments? We can have an honest disagreement without resorting to personal insults. If we go down that road, I have an entire encyclopedia of choice words for my opponents.

Mud · 02-18-10, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by martes86

BTW, Firewall, why does your link redirect me to Subsim with a different forum skin?

Thats because it's the flight sim forum and uses a different skin

Mud

Brag · 02-18-10, 06:12 PM

There has never been any whinning from my part and I like a lot of what I see in SH5. I just find the DRM, OSP, Uplay (great name changing maneuvers

) UNACCEPTABLE!

thyro · 02-18-10, 06:13 PM

BUT!

How can someone stop whining after getting a BLACK nose by just looking through that ugly BLACK SH5's periscope?

Not only getting a BLACK nose but also feeling sick from seeing SH3's waves through that ugly periscope

they should stop porting SH3's stuff into SH5's

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I'm not whining I'm just expressing a serious concern so stop whining at me and send couple of wine bottles instead

martes86 · 02-18-10, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mud

Thats because it's the flight sim forum and uses a different skin

Mud

Ah! Didn't know that, thanks.

Platapus · 02-18-10, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by java`s revenge

Stop whining and be negative about sh5.

You want us to stop whining and you want use to be negative about SH5?

Stop whining and being negative about SH5 would be a better way of writing this.

oh and No and No. In case you are keeping a tally.

Mud · 02-18-10, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by martes86

Ah! Didn't know that, thanks.

Bloody hell Martes you joined 2004 and never noticed the Flightsim forum

Mud

Platapus · 02-18-10, 06:29 PM

It's our forum and I'll whine if I want to
Whine if I want to, whine if I want to
You would whine too if it happened to you!

02-18-10, 06:00 PM	#67
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02-18-10, 06:12 PM	#70
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	There has never been any whinning from my part and I like a lot of what I see in SH5. I just find the DRM, OSP, Uplay (great name changing maneuvers ) UNACCEPTABLE! __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

02-18-10, 06:13 PM	#71
thyro Commander Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: on a rock surrounded by water, that people call it UK Posts: 473 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	BUT! How can someone stop whining after getting a BLACK nose by just looking through that ugly BLACK SH5's periscope? Not only getting a BLACK nose but also feeling sick from seeing SH3's waves through that ugly periscope they should stop porting SH3's stuff into SH5's EDIT: I'm not whining I'm just expressing a serious concern so stop whining at me and send couple of wine bottles instead __________________ "The good news is that you’re never, ever more than 6 miles from land. The bad news is, the land is straight down!"

02-18-10, 06:29 PM	#75
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,403 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	It's our forum and I'll whine if I want to Whine if I want to, whine if I want to You would whine too if it happened to you! __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

02-18-10, 05:33 PM	#62
UnSalted Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 130 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Can I whine about the whiners who are whining about the gameplay whiners or can I whine about the whiners who are whining about the DRM whiners or can I whine about the whiners who whine about the free speech whiners? How about the I WANNA WHINE PERIOD users? Gawd you folks have made this SO confusing, I think I'll just whine about the people in doublewides who dare breathe Neal's air.

02-18-10, 05:50 PM	#65
martes86 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Colourful Seville - Spain Posts: 971 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	You guys realize that this thread, as it stands right now, has one single purpose, which is to get people to write for nothing and kick each other's asses, right? It's not healthy. BTW, Firewall, why does your link redirect me to Subsim with a different forum skin?

02-18-10, 05:52 PM	#66
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,152 Downloads: 613 Uploads: 44	I realized that but what can I say, I love a good argument.Perhaps I plan to attend Law School this year?