The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by razark

How are these any different? You're asking permission via your connection.

Not verbally. Not physically. In fact, I'm not actually doing anything at all.

[razark]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Not verbally. Not physically. In fact, I'm not actually doing anything at all.

And if you make a phone call, you're not actually talking to a person. You're talking into a microphone, that transmits electrical signals across a wire, that gets translated to a signal at the other end. A response is formed, translated into a signal that passes along wires, etc...

You're asking permission using the computer, instead of a phone.

So, if you have a tape recorder and automatic dialer doing the asking for permission on the phone, that's ok with you? It's not you doing it, it's the machine.

Point being, the machine is only a tool you are using. It doesn't have a mind of its own.

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by razark

You're asking permission using the computer, instead of a phone.

@ OLC...

you are asking permission over and over again.

HOW is not important. The fact that you have to "ask permission/prove ownership" is the bad thing.
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if they chose to deny access for whatever reason... you do not <hat you paid for.

You wanna be treated like a potential thief? have it your way.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Not verbally. Not physically. In fact, I'm not actually doing anything at all.

If they stick the receipt to your forehead at the shop then you don't have to do anything to show it either.

Of course, with online DRM you have to physicaly connect to the world wide interwebs

[piri_reis]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Not verbally. Not physically. In fact, I'm not actually doing anything at all.

Yeah, your computer is doing all the work.
But what if:
the permission is denied? (Something went haywire in the registry/installation)
UBI Server unavailable.
Etc.

It's not your computer playing SH5, it is you right?

So your computer will go, whatever OLC, it doesn't bother me

[SteamWake]

Cough cough... er.. Data Mining... ahem...

Carry on

[Nicolas]

Why i need to use the internet to play an offline game
Ah, the exciting new services... ah those, what services?

[Brag]

If one reads Ubi's 2009-10 quarterly statement to shareholders one can see that Ubi management is not only bee essing us but also their shareholders. I don't expect Ubi to survive 'til 2011.

The event will be called suicide by DRM.

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by Letum

If they stick the receipt to your forehead at the shop then you don't have to do anything to show it either.

Of course, with online DRM you have to physicaly connect to the world wide interwebs

Two more broken analogies.
I get what you're saying, but the analogies you use all involve hassle that simply has no equivalent for the SH5 player with a stable connection. It's the straw man argument.

Originally Posted by piri_reis

Yeah, your computer is doing all the work.
But what if the permission is denied? (Something went haywire in the registry/installation)
UBI Server unavailable.
Etc.

I'm not seeing how that's relevant, but obviously if the servers don't work then I can't play, and if I can't play then I'll take the game back and get a refund.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Two more broken analogies.
I get what you're saying, but the analogies you use all involve hassle that simply has no equivalent for the SH5 player with a stable connection. It's the straw man argument.

I disagree because the point that is being made is not that DRM is a
hassle. That is not the argument the analogy is making.
It is about having to prove ones innocence every time you wish to use
something you paid for, however hassle free and it's about needing
permission to use something you "own".

[GREY WOLF 3]

Why is the new DRM so bad?!

[jokerl90]

I apologize if this has been brought up somewhere else.
With the worlds economy as it is, who can really say they will be able to afford to pay for internet access in 6-mo, a year?
If it comes to paying the electric bill or paying a bill for internet access, I think the electric bill would win out.
Without this DRM you could still play, with it, your just screwed.

[razark]

Originally Posted by jokerl90

I apologize if this has been brought up somewhere else.
With the worlds economy as it is, who can really say they will be able to afford to pay for internet access in 6-mo, a year?
If it comes to paying the electric bill or paying a bill for internet access, I think the electric bill would win out.
Without this DRM you could still play, with it, your just screwed.

If you don't pay the electric bill, the internet connection and computer aren't going to be very useful anyway.

[Adriatico]

Originally Posted by jokerl90

I apologize if this has been brought up somewhere else.
With the worlds economy as it is, who can really say they will be able to afford to pay for internet access in 6-mo, a year?
If it comes to paying the electric bill or paying a bill for internet access, I think the electric bill would win out.

That's why people buy things - to have them.
...not to share (rent) them on internet connection.

[Brag]

Originally Posted by jokerl90

I apologize if this has been brought up somewhere else.
With the worlds economy as it is, who can really say they will be able to afford to pay for internet access in 6-mo, a year?
If it comes to paying the electric bill or paying a bill for internet access, I think the electric bill would win out.
Without this DRM you could still play, with it, your just screwed.

Yet another reason to dump DRM