Cylindrical Earth

[martes86]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Crappy game, it will be the weakest of the series in most of the respects, except the graphics. And the eye candy graphics upgrade through the years took place in ALL video game applications, so that is not a "heroic" act for this so-called Silent Hunter 5, which has almost nothing to do with the concept of naval or sub simulation. As a conclusion, the series has took its course down, with SH5 at its lowest peak. Ubisoft and the romanian developers team should be really ashamed of themselves. But of course, they've got no shame, only the burning desire to fool the market and to make money profit. I hope they won't. At least, not from me.

You haven't tested it yet, and you claim it's crap already? Way to go, dumb and thoughtless subjectivity.

[ryanglavin]

Originally Posted by martes86

You haven't tested it yet, and you claim it's crap already? Way to go, dumb and thoughtless subjectivity.

DRM has infected us all, expressially when none of us have played it.

[malkuth74]

Originally Posted by ryanglavin

DRM has infected us all, expressially when none of us have played it.

This is going to be a funny month. Next week I get AVP, then next week I get Napoleon Total War, then after that I get SHV.

So I have been on a lot of forums lately surfing around, even the mass effect one. And it seems that forums are full of these types of complaints all the time now.

The DRM is bad, but I love SH Series and will stick with it. But get ready for huge complaints and negativity from others soon. I actually think some people actually look for new released games, find the forums and post complaints. Even though they don't have a game.

But oh well. I will have mine the 2nd march.

Originally Posted by martes86

You haven't tested it yet, and you claim it's crap already? Way to go, dumb and thoughtless subjectivity.

Maybe something related to you is "dumb" or "thoughtless", and you may not even know it. I can guess that you can apply for the position of a lawyer in Ubisoft company, you are showing a lot of potential! They probably need at least one ... As far as I am concerned, here's my position:
What you're saying it's something like I am showing you a picture of rotten food, and you are saying to me: "OK, but maybe it tastes good, how do you know without tasting it?"
It's more than obvious that it's a crappy game, considering just a few facts, the first ones that are coming to my mind (and for all of them I have clear and without doubt evidences):

- the arcade style graphics on periscope view;
- the lack of shadows of human characters;
- the mandatory connection to the Internet;
- the lack of real life physics, movement and the effect of the wind upon objects or water;
- the level water agitation in ports and pens;
- the flat surface of the Earth;
- the lack of a full war campaign;
- the lack of all playable german subs;

Ant the last two of them are probably just a part of a scheme, a "reason" for a potential add-on's or expansions, which means (of course!) more money for them.

[martes86]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Maybe something related to you is "dumb" or "thoughtless", and you may not even know it. Maybe you should apply for the position of a lawyer in Ubisoft company, you are showing show a lot of potential! They probably need at least one ...

Give me a break! Now you're taking me for an Ubi/DRM-defender??? I dislike DRM, and have voiced my opinion against it in this forum in several ocasions, not to mention the fact that most of the people I've talked to also hate it and I happen to agree with the arguments they present. But that doesn't mean I support radical destructive desinformed critics, we have a brain for something, not just for insulting without hard evidences of anything.

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

As far as I am concerned, here's my position:
What you're saying it's something like I am showing you a picture of rotten food, and you are saying to me: "OK, but maybe it tastes good, how do you know without tasting it?"
It's more than obvious that it's a crappy game, considering just a few facts, the first ones that are coming to my mind (and for all of them I have clear and without doubt evidences):

You can't compare a computer program with rotten food! A computer program is much more complicated, has more areas that make it "rotten" or not. You're judging just based on a few screencaps and 2 or 3 videos, which don't amount to the complexity such things have.

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

- the arcade style graphics on periscope view;
- the lack of shadows of human characters;
- the mandatory connection to the Internet;
- the lack of real time physics, movement and the effect of the wind upon objects or water;
- the level water agitation in ports and pens;
- the flat surface of the Earth;
- the lack of a full war campaign;
- the lack of all playable german subs;

1. GUI judging is not a reason. I've said many times now that you can't judge a whole product based on the GUI, which BTW, will be moddable via Python scripts anyways.
2. That remains to be seen in final versions of SH5. All we've seen are preview pics. Lastest build might include those details. Maybe it was excluded on purpose, what do we know?
3. That is a separate aspect from the game itself. There's SH5, and then there's DRM. DRM is crap. But we don't know that SH5 is really crap.
4. Source to prove it? Otherwise, you don't know that for a fact, and are just speculating.
5. Minor detail that doesn't make the overall a crappy thing.
6. Internal programming issue, which I totally understand because of its complexity.
7. Secondary detail for me, and will probably be extendable anyways, just like we could edit the campaign layers in SH3/4.
8. At first, something that I thought was not so good, now I think that it isn't so much of a problem anyways, specially if, like 7, it can be modded.

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Ant the last two of them are probably just a part of a scheme, a "reason" for a potential add-on's or expansions, which means (of course!) more money for them.

An expansion of the years 44 and 45 when they've clearly stated that the U-Boot war was already over and lost at mid-43? Doesn't make much sense.
It does make sense to release addons with new boats though, but it's too early to talk about that.

So... got better arguments? Or you're just gonna tell me that I'm an Ubi defender?

[Kapitanleutnant]

Originally Posted by martes86

An expansion of the years 44 and 45 when they've clearly stated that the U-Boot war was already over and lost at mid-43? Doesn't make much sense.

Shut up. Just shut up.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant

Shut up. Just shut up.

Umm, why?

[Schunken]

Argh....flamewars....

..what place this forum become?

Where is the respect gone that I always like at subsim?

maybe this place becomes rotten....


Andreas

[Chad]

Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant

Shut up. Just shut up.

You had me at hello.. Jerry McQuire quote..

Elainaba, or Dan, is a developer who sticks his input and informs us what shape the world will be and you guys attack him, not cool. This isn't about DRM or Ubisoft, so why flip and turn it on him?

I don't care if you or anyone else will buy it, I will, because Dan's my friend. And maybe if he comes to the next subsim meet, I'll have him sign my copy.

When I first met him in the 2008 meet, I told him that he was like a celebrity, that just saying he was a game developer we should be asking for his autograph and getting our picture taken with him. I still feel this way, as he has put MANY hours into the Silent Hunter series. 3, 4 (and add-ons), and now 5, he's kept the series alive, and I have full faith that if you like 3 or 4, SH5 will be right there with it.

Martes and I were also there at the meet this year, where we saw real game footage being played by the developers. We saw and heard things that little 5 minute clips, or screenshots can't do. Dan also explained the modability of things such as the GUI using Python scripts.

Dan is also human, as all the other developers are. Treat them with respect. This is my first and last post concerning this, as it should be common sense.

[Rip]

Originally Posted by Chad

You had me at hello.. Jerry McQuire quote..

Elainaba, or Dan, is a developer who sticks his input and informs us what shape the world will be and you guys attack him, not cool. This isn't about DRM or Ubisoft, so why flip and turn it on him?

I don't care if you or anyone else will buy it, I will, because Dan's my friend. And maybe if he comes to the next subsim meet, I'll have him sign my copy.

When I first met him in the 2008 meet, I told him that he was like a celebrity, that just saying he was a game developer we should be asking for his autograph and getting our picture taken with him. I still feel this way, as he has put MANY hours into the Silent Hunter series. 3, 4 (and add-ons), and now 5, he's kept the series alive, and I have full faith that if you like 3 or 4, SH5 will be right there with it.

Martes and I were also there at the meet this year, where we saw real game footage being played by the developers. We saw and heard things that little 5 minute clips, or screenshots can't do. Dan also explained the modability of things such as the GUI using Python scripts.

Dan is also human, as all the other developers are. Treat them with respect. This is my first and last post concerning this, as it should be common sense.

+1000

We are VERY lucky to have developers that give a **** about their product. Have a little empathy for the situation and show them the respect they so greatly deserve!

Originally Posted by Chad

You had me at hello.. Jerry McQuire quote..

Elainaba, or Dan, is a developer who sticks his input and informs us what shape the world will be and you guys attack him, not cool. This isn't about DRM or Ubisoft, so why flip and turn it on him?

Dan is also human, as all the other developers are. Treat them with respect. This is my first and last post concerning this, as it should be common sense.

Please don't tell me about Dan or others, they are making me feel somehow ashamed that I am romanian ... I've had higher expectations from romanian programmers, because I know that they are supposed to be some of the best in the world.

[Chad]

+1000

We are VERY lucky to have developers that give a **** about their product. Have a little empathy for the situation and show them the respect they so greatly deserve!

Heh, wish you were my ethics teacher, that 1000 points would come in handy.

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

I know that they are supposed to be some of the best in the world.

I believe they are the best in the world

I love those guys

[Rip]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Please don't tell me about Dan or others, they are making me feel somehow ashamed that I am romanian ... I've had higher expectations from romanian programmers, because I know that they are supposed to be some of the best in the world.

Higher expectations of what? You have the game? Otherwise you don't know crap just like the rest of us. It is poor taste to criticize something you know almost nothing about. Why not wait a month or two and try this stance with some facts, and I will have played the game by them and will I suspect be prepared to tell you you don't know crapola!

[elanaiba]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Please don't tell me about Dan or others, they are making me feel somehow ashamed that I am romanian ... I've had higher expectations from romanian programmers, because I know that they are supposed to be some of the best in the world.

Ok, I'll bite this.

How about YOU make ME feel proud I'm a romanian?

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant

Shut up. Just shut up.

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Well, Ubi and also the developers should feel proud to have such an impressive army of defenders ... while they cannot defend themselves. They are somehow demigods that can't come down to Earth and speak to the mortals. I suppose you are playing SH3 or 4 on the "easy" level, am I right? And you are very happy about it.

Originally Posted by Chad

Elainaba, or Dan, is a developer who sticks his input and informs us what shape the world will be and you guys attack him, not cool. This isn't about DRM or Ubisoft, so why flip and turn it on him?

I don't care if you or anyone else will buy it, I will, because Dan's my friend. And maybe if he comes to the next subsim meet, I'll have him sign my copy.

When I first met him in the 2008 meet, I told him that he was like a celebrity, that just saying he was a game developer we should be asking for his autograph and getting our picture taken with him. I still feel this way, as he has put MANY hours into the Silent Hunter series. 3, 4 (and add-ons), and now 5, he's kept the series alive, and I have full faith that if you like 3 or 4, SH5 will be right there with it.

Martes and I were also there at the meet this year, where we saw real game footage being played by the developers. We saw and heard things that little 5 minute clips, or screenshots can't do. Dan also explained the modability of things such as the GUI using Python scripts.

Dan is also human, as all the other developers are. Treat them with respect. This is my first and last post concerning this, as it should be common sense.

That's right. And one more thing, there are 30-100 new members here a day, they do not need to see this kind of immature, infantile, typical Internet usegroup behavior. This is the Subsim forum, and if you cannot discuss things in a more pleasant manner, you need to leave, and I'm willing to help. We won't miss you.

Neal
SUBSIM Admin