Enough is enough

[theluckyone17]

Heh. Maybe she's hopeless. If she'd had any sense at all, she wouldn't have married me. It's probably for the best, too... she said "Divorce is not an option, but the shotgun is." Doesn't bode well for me...

Yeah, off topic, I know, but we need a little humor right now . Nice to see somebody took my bait, too...

[Overboard]

Maby we should stop playing submarine games for a while and just move on to something else.

[Steeltrap]

Originally Posted by theluckyone17

Heh. Maybe she's hopeless. If she'd had any sense at all, she wouldn't have married me. It's probably for the best, too... she said "Divorce is not an option, but the shotgun is." Doesn't bode well for me...

I like a woman who takes the 'til death do us part seriously.



Not so sure I want her to arrange it, however...

[Highbury]

Originally Posted by Overboard

Maby we should stop playing submarine games for a while and just move on to something else.

^^^ what IS this man on about????

[Overboard]

From SH1 to SH4.. i played them but now im Thinking ive had all the sub games i care for.
I mean you can only sink a ship so many times till your like think WTF...(dull).

[Kapitanleutnant]

Originally Posted by Overboard

From SH1 to SH4.. i played them but now im Thinking ive had all the sub games i care for.
I mean you can only sink a ship so many times till your like think WTF...(dull).

Hi and welcome to www.subsim.com/radioroom! Can you guess what people like to play and talk about at www.subsim.com?
I'll give you a hint: It's not tanksims (except in the tanksim section!).
Hope this helps!

[audessy]

If you don't like SH5 I'm sorry but Ubi probably won't care or notice. Stop wearing your fingers out on this and learn to mod. Fix the crap out of SH4 and make it into a game we love. It has a lot of potential. I've been adjusting values and playing with the models since Sh2 days. Either way SH5 can't suck half as bad as SH2. Remember no dynamic campaign?

My one and ONLY concern with DRM is the fact that it will take away from the mod friendliness. If that's the case... oh well.

[Brag]

I'm ignorant and don't see how succesful modding will not be seriously byrestricted by OSB/DRM.

OBS will think modders are hackers

Originally Posted by Brag

I'm ignorant and don't see how succesful modding will not be seriously byrestricted by OSB/DRM.

OBS will think modders are hackers

i have given the idea some thought and if the mod tools they speak of are only available online then your mods will also only be doable online and maybe only be able to be kept on UBI servers so it works. that could mean that all data on UBI servers would then belong to UBI giving them the right to steal/borrow/use your mod settings and ideas to call their own and use the modding community as free labor resource to create game updates and fixes for the game.

but this is just wild random speculation on my part and only a company with no reguard for its customers would do such a thing

so maybe the solution is online only modding

[sabretwo]

Originally Posted by oscar19681

I know most of it is focussed at UBI. but i think it will also hurt the devs.

I think we all feel bad for the devs at this stage. They must be on suicide watch right now. (Nothing like pouring your heart and soul for months on end into something to see it's future dashed before its even brought to life.) Although judging from the chuckle during the last dev interview, they must have been bracing for the backlash to some degree.

But all that said, UBI made this mess for themselves. Although poor marketing communications and lack of visible features are valid concerns, I think the DRM/OPM bomb is the real killer. If they removed the DRM/OPM crap, subsimmers would probably embrace it in spite of its shortcomings hoping that modders can get the game to a level that suits most expectations. But the DRM/OPM has nailed the coffin closed for possibly as much as 84% of us! (according to the poll)

If SH5's failure ends the SH-series, there is only one entity to blame...UBI itself.

Rule #1 of business: DON'T PI**-OFF YOUR LOYAL CUSTOMERS!

[Ragtag]

Originally Posted by razark

I think the OSP pill would be a bit easier to swallow if they'd give us a big spoonful of hardcore simulation sugar to go with it.

From reading comments in this forum, it seems that the OSP was what turned a lot of people away from the game. I think many of those people would be rethinking their stance on OSP if they knew they were getting the quality tested, hardcore subsim they are begging for.

The OSP isn't something one should "swallow". This is a feature that gives total control to the publisher. No game or anything in a game will ever make me swallow that. It's not the arcadish features or the game it self i'm having a problem with or the game at all. That i can swallow because SH5 do come with hardcore options. Ubi wants to drag new players into the genre and thats a very good thing. God knows the genre needs more. Many of the new players will probably HAVE to play with easy options. At least till they get the gripes on the TDC and other stuff
I will never give in to total control from anyone or anything... ever. No matter what the deal is.

[THE_MASK]

Originally Posted by Webster

i have given the idea some thought and if the mod tools they speak of are only available online then your mods will also only be doable online and maybe only be able to be kept on UBI servers so it works. that could mean that all data on UBI servers would then belong to UBI giving them the right to steal/borrow/use your mod settings and ideas to call their own and use the modding community as free labor resource to create game updates and fixes for the game.

but this is just wild random speculation on my part and only a company with no reguard for its customers would do such a thing

so maybe the solution is online only modding

SH3/4 saves games with mods so whats the diffrence with SH5 saving games with mods on there server .

[karamazovnew]

Originally Posted by Ragtag

The OSP isn't something one should "swallow". This is a feature that gives total control to the publisher. No game or anything in a game will ever make me swallow that. It's not the arcadish features or the game it self i'm having a problem with or the game at all. That i can swallow because SH5 do come with hardcore options. Ubi wants to drag new players into the genre and thats a very good thing. God knows the genre needs more. many of the new players will probably HAVE to play with easy options. At least till they get the gripes on the TDC and other stuff
I will never give in to total control from anyone or anything... ever. No matter what the deal is.

Ubi will use OSP for all games, not just for SH5. Yes I agree there will be a conflict between the need to advertise this niche game and the potential downfall of the unborn SH5 community.

But in my view, Ubi makes the games so they can do whatever they want with them. You don't need to "swallow" this, you can just keep your money. The guy who took this decision clearly stated that they base their hopes on the fact that MOST people have internet access. So yes, they agree that they slap the others on the face.
What's sad is that the devs got caught in this too. It's clear that they will loose sales no matter how good the game might be. It's clear that Ubi will have to change its mind later on so it's sad that SH will get hurt just because it's one of the first game to have this "feature".

[Ragtag]

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

Ubi will use OSP for all games, not just for SH5. Yes I agree there will be a conflict between the need to advertise this niche game and the potential downfall of the unborn SH5 community.

But in my view, Ubi makes the games so they can do whatever they want with them. You don't need to "swallow" this, you can just keep your money. The guy who took this decision clearly stated that they base their hopes on the fact that MOST people have internet access. So yes, they agree that they slap the others on the face.
What's sad is that the devs got caught in this too. It's clear that they will loose sales no matter how good the game might be. It's clear that Ubi will have to change its mind later on so it's sad that SH will get hurt just because it's one of the first game to have this "feature".

I am keeping my money. At least untill we get an offline option or a better solution comes along. I am fully aware that the OSP is being used with most upcoming titles and i'm not buying any of those either. I cancelled 4 pre-orders.
I agree when it comes to the devs. I feel sorry for them because they do alot of hard work. I respect them for that. It's a very unfortunate situation. As i said... it's not the game that is the problem and i will buy it the second we get the offline option or a better solution. Untill then i'll just play something else or just buy the games for a console if available.

I use alot of money to keep my PC highend for gaming. It's part of my work as reviewer and i'm not going to accept a game that may start to pause in the heat of a battle because my internet connection may lag or drop. Bad pings and lag happens to everyone in every network. How low it has to be before the game is starting to pause is another thing. But the requirement is a highspeed broadband according to the OSP faq.
What would you say if movie companys started to add the same type of DRM on Blu-ray and DVD's? Internet connection is quite common on Blu-ray players.