Enough is enough

[Galanti]

Originally Posted by oscar19681

The funny thing is nobody has ever played it or seen anything in depth enough to say how it will be. Thus people feel unsecure about it and start bashing it. .

Wake up, for the love of Moses. There is less than a month to go everything we've seen so far points to a dumbed-down, consolized sub-shooter. Just look at that ridiculous periscope interface screenshot. I half expect to see 688's and Akulas in the final project.

I hope I'm wrong, we all want it to succeed, but we're not getting a warm and fuzzy over what Ubi has deemed to show us so far.

[martes86]

Originally Posted by IanC

Do you really think the success or failure of SH5 rests on the comments we make here? If SH5 fails, it will be because of the direction Ubi is putting it on, not because of our forum comments.
I wish we had that much power!

Correction for accuracy: if SH5 fails, it will be because Ubi's direction for it will result in people not wanting to buy it, and that's the real killer, the lack of sales. Comments in the forum are also an influence on people that read forums to see how good/bad some thing is, and negative image also contributes to negative sales.

Cheers

PS.: Oh, and, yes, I agree the abuse of jokes/bashing will ultimately have a bad effect if it translates only in lower sales.

Originally Posted by oscar19681

But worst of all this could seriously damage the silent hunter series.

this OMG your gonna kill SH series if you dont stop saying mean things is getting just as old. look i love UBI games and i think they have done a great SH series but weather it lives or dies depends solely on the game they put out and not anything said on these forums or any forum for that matter.

i agree with you that its not good to hear all the bad talk about sh5 but its UBI's fault for not giving us something "real" to talk about so you cant blame us for that and asking people to stop saying bad stuff isnt fair or reasonable. only UBI can do this with releasing info to alay peoples fears.

i assume mods can remove all the arcade indicators of health and damage so i think it comes down to UBI needs to release one simple short in game footage of how you can use the manual targetting and TDC and i think all this doom and gloom talk goes away.

its human nature and pretty solid experience with past promises that if you dont see it then its not in there and this is THE biggest problem with UBI marketting and how they refuse to address the worries their customers have about the game.

sh5 has DRM/OSP (or whatever they call it) so its absolutely not for me even if i get a million dollars to go with it for the inconvenience so i really dont care anymore, im so over it its not even funny.

i think for those who still are interested in sh5 will buy it they will have a nice game. weather it will resemble anything close to the sim experience we were used to with sh3 or sh4 is to be seen but the info as released so far says it wont be.

[razark]

Originally Posted by oscar19681

All i,m saying is give the game a chance. It could be the greatest one yet!

It could be. The problem is that people were expecting GWX5 out of the box, and everything we've seen points to Das Boot, The Game.

It's a new direction in submarine games. It's an interesting concept, and I'll watch to see how it goes. But so far, nothing seems to really connect with a submarine _simulation_ in this game. Perhaps it is there. The marketing campaign may just be going off in a different direction, figuring the folks here are sold already, but a lot of people have been put off by what has been released about the game so far.

The game will have its chance in March. The marketing department has had its chance, and has not brought a lot of hope so far.

[MercurySeven]

Well, bottom line is a rather bad use of the community for developing purpose by UBI. Yes, there is a lot of ranting going on which contributes to the fact that a growing portion of SH fanboys and people that just discovered SH and though it might be worth a try become very cautious about the thing and drop their plans to preorder. But if the information policy and the overall marketing strategy were better (Customer Lifetime Value, for crying out loud!) this might have very well been the other way round with an active and passionate community actively promoting the game throughout the internet. UBIs marketing and strategic department overall failed to promote SH5 so now they get the resulting PR. Other companies and other games have shown how it SHOULD be done. UBI just chose not to learn from them.

[Brag]

Originally Posted by razark

It could be. The problem is that people were expecting GWX5 out of the box, and everything we've seen points to Das Boot, The Game.

It's a new direction in submarine games. It's an interesting concept, and I'll watch to see how it goes. But so far, nothing seems to really connect with a submarine _simulation_ in this game. Perhaps it is there. The marketing campaign may just be going off in a different direction, figuring the folks here are sold already, but a lot of people have been put off by what has been released about the game so far.

The game will have its chance in March. The marketing department has had its chance, and has not brought a lot of hope so far.

What Ubi marketing is doing is trying to shove DRM/OSP to an unwilling public with the game taking second place as a vehicle--fatal mistake

It's the rule of nature.. If ppl are happy about something they are expressing it with joy and all positive it has. If ppl are dissapointed about something they are expressing negative emotions, and no one should say or draw a line how much of this should be. It's all natural stuff so pls be tollerant to negatives as you are to positives and reversed. Thanks

[razark]

Originally Posted by Brag

What Ubi marketing is doing is trying to shove DRM/OSP to an unwilling public with the game taking second place as a vehicle--fatal mistake

I think the OSP pill would be a bit easier to swallow if they'd give us a big spoonful of hardcore simulation sugar to go with it.

From reading comments in this forum, it seems that the OSP was what turned a lot of people away from the game. I think many of those people would be rethinking their stance on OSP if they knew they were getting the quality tested, hardcore subsim they are begging for.

[gimpy117]

+1.

I think some people are thinking they can rate the game before it comes out.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by capthelm

ok keep it all in one thread not a new one every 5 secs on sarcastic neg smuck.

Good luck with that idea. You will have more luck trying to herd cats.

Originally Posted by gimpy117

+1.

I think some people are thinking they can rate the game before it comes out.

With all respect I hope you do realize that most ppl are clever human beings and they can obviously make appropiate conclussions from what they're allowed to know by given info. So basically you don;t need to wait untill the very first release to judge about what this game will be like.

[onelifecrisis]

Letum, I'm disappointed. Your reasoning is normally sound.

What's the most important ingredient in a tasty meal? Answer: the mood of the person eating it. We (people) are not flawlessly objective reasoning machines.

[Brag]

I don't need to wait for the game to be released. I do know Ubi said the game would be infected by DRM/OSP. I do know DRM/OSP Suxx, thus making the game a suxxs container that may as well be flushed down the tubes. Nice move, Ubi.

Can it be fixed?

Yes! Get rid of DRM/OSP.

Moo

Originally Posted by Brag

I don't need to wait for the game to be released. I do know Ubi said the game would be infected by DRM/OSP. I do know DRM/OSP Suxx, thus making the game a suxxs container that may as well be flushed down the tubes. Nice move, Ubi.

Can it be fixed?

Yes! Get rid of DRM/OSP.

Moo

Right.. And if UBI won't remove it - there will always be somebody who will remove it for us..

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by razark

It could be. The problem is that people were expecting GWX5 out of the box, and everything we've seen points to Das Boot, The Game.

Despite all the fun I've had in other threads cracking wise about various presumed elements of SHV based on info released so far... I can tell you without hesitation that I would absolutely buy "Das Boot: The Game."

If it turned out to be more arcade-y or whatever then I would consider it a very fast and shiny alternative to SH3+GWX3 and probably have some fun with it. If it got modded to be something more/better/different, I'd probably have some fun with that too.

What I will not do is pay the full release-date price for any single-player game that limits my ability to play it whenever and for however long I like by making that ability utterly dependent on the reliable service and continued goodwill of a corporation over which I have no control and which already has my money.