The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread - Page 47

sabretwo · 02-02-10, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Unfortunately, no options available for UBSFY:

Yeah, I saw that too. Nothing tradeable listed on the CBOE web site. I was really hoping they had leap options. My prediction (if they keep the course and if the outrage grows once these games come out) is a massive miss in Q2. A one year leap put would be perfect. (and not too overly painful to get out of if I'm wrong)

Well, there's always short selling.

They're at 2.9 USD with plenty of room to fall!

(BTW...Did anyone notice the beating UBI took the last two quarters?...Ouch! No wonder the eleventh floor is getting desperate!)

Platapus · 02-02-10, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Méo

Funny, internet accessibility & reliability don't actually prevent 11.5 million people from playing World of Warcraft.

You have to understand that Blizzard, just through the monthly subscriptions, earns over $170,000,000 per month! Per month. That is over $2,000,000,000 per year.

That is a lot of money to spend on maintaining servers to ensure reliability.

That's why a WoW server outage is uncommon (but it does happen).

Sea Demon · 02-02-10, 04:54 PM

Regardless of all the arguments, I see both points of view. UBIsoft needs to protect their investment, and consumers don't want the DRM for all the reasons listed. Can't blame either side. But the common enemy here is the pirates. UBIsoft is not the enemy here. I hope eventually something can replace a solution like this DRM (online only) application. But for now, it's what we got.

I for one want a SH6 Gato Class in the future. As I totally prefer the Pacific Theater. But there are elements in SH5 I find compelling. I for one will be buying this sim. No doubt about it.

product · 02-02-10, 06:24 PM

Hi All,

Just thought I'd add a comment that I have not seen covered yet... the need to remain connected online throughout a game imposes a serious performance penalty on even a high end PC.

Many gamers disable internet functions while playing to avoid this, including me... forgetting about the issues of principal here, what Ubi is doing is causing unecessary stuttering, hangups and potential crashes. Count me out.

Steeltrap · 02-02-10, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by product

Hi All,

Just thought I'd add a comment that I have not seen covered yet... the need to remain connected online throughout a game imposes a serious performance penalty on even a high end PC.

Many gamers disable internet functions while playing to avoid this, including me... forgetting about the issues of principal here, what Ubi is doing is causing unecessary stuttering, hangups and potential crashes. Count me out.

Ah, no, sorry, have to disagree with you here. If you have a multi-core and more RAM than is required for the operating system and peripherals, your PC won't really notice an internet connection in the background.

What might cause issues is the amount of information required to be transferred between you/the server and how that affects gameplay. If it transfers minimal packets, not an issue. If there are issues of synchronisation and/or large data transfers, might be a concern.

I can't imagine it'll require anything greater than small, occasional data exchanges, which will have no effect on a modern PC. If they screw up this aspect and haven't coded for multi-threading and memory management (like Empire Total War, which wasn't released with effect multi-core use and had an abysmal memory leak, especially in Vista) then it will be a disaster.

Mind you, I couldn't have imagined they'd require continuous internet connection, so what do I know.....

Steeltrap · 02-02-10, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Méo

Nice proof !

Probably the kind of proof needed to graduate in your schools..

No wonder so many people around the world hate French.

Well that'll get you a trip to the 'report' button.....

Takeda Shingen · 02-02-10, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Méo

Nice proof !

Probably the kind of proof needed to graduate in your schools..

No wonder so many people around the world hate French.

That's really uncalled for.

The Management

CaptainHaplo · 02-02-10, 07:17 PM

Steeltrap,

I have to disagree with you - and here is my reasoning. Sure the traffic itself isn't burdensome. But alot of gamers disconnect from the net with SP games so they can do things like kill AV and firewalls, which CAN when left running seriously degrade gaming performance.

Its not just the connection - but a host of other things that can have an affect.

Steeltrap · 02-02-10, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Steeltrap,

I have to disagree with you - and here is my reasoning. Sure the traffic itself isn't burdensome. But alot of gamers disconnect from the net with SP games so they can do things like kill AV and firewalls, which CAN when left running seriously degrade gaming performance.

Its not just the connection - but a host of other things that can have an affect.

I understand, but I happened to have tested this recently with my rig. I used to do what you're saying, but I have a friend who's a professional (by which I mean self-employed contractor making plenty of $$) computer nerd/programmer/all-round-guru, and he told me it was completely unnecessary on a rig as powerful as mine.

As I posted before, it does depend on you CPU, GPU and RAM plus OS. If you're at the edge of 'required specs' then you're right to say it's a problem. If you have overkill specs, it won't be an issue.

The other variable is what Ubi is doing with that constant connection.

Cheers

Arclight · 02-02-10, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeltrap

The other variable is what Ubi is doing with that constant connection.

Making sure that you're still connected.

onelifecrisis · 02-02-10, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeltrap

Well that'll get you a trip to the 'report' button.....

Same here.

Onkel Neal · 02-02-10, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

No, it's just you being hopelessly obtuse

No no, not the way to go. Even if you think someone is being obtuse, let them show it, don't label it.

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Originally Posted by Méo

Nice proof !

Probably the kind of proof needed to graduate in your schools..

No wonder so many people around the world hate French.

Easy there, mate. No need to take shots like that.

Méo · 02-02-10, 08:51 PM

Ok, this one is gonna be long but since it looks like I started a scandal, I feel the need to justify my words.

I think you guys are looking at me as an evil DRM supporter, even if I never said that, even if I would have wish another anti-piracy method.

But, unless a major event happens, that will not stop me from enjoying SH5, that's all.

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So here's what started this drama:

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Originally Posted by Méo

Funny, internet accessibility & reliability don't actually prevent 11.5 million people from playing World of Warcraft.

Here, I talk about internet accessibility & reliability which seems to be an issue, not about DRM, not about Ubisoft servers, not about the connection speed needed, etc.

So what I did, is that I've made a comparison with millions of people around the world using internet for gaming.

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With all technologies available in 2010, I think internet is pretty accessible.

I speak for the average player when I say:

I think that IF someone can afford the luxury of a Rig that currently runs SH5, AND IF he can afford the luxury of spending time playing it (instead of spending time earning money), HE CAN afford a REASONABLE internet connection, there's no doubt about it in my mind.

If the connection speed needed is too high for the average player, it's another problem.

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So about the incident now, I admit I overreacted, but I suggest to take a look at his posts BEFORE.

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Your point is just nonsense.

Which I take as some sort of offence, he could have simply said that HE did not see the sense.

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

No, it's just you being hopelessly obtuse

Which I take as a greater offence.

Then I said:

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Originally Posted by Méo

Nice proof !

Probably the kind of proof needed to graduate in your schools..

No wonder so many people around the world hate French.

I think I never took the initiative on my own to insult someone who has not previously shown me disrespect.

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I think I clearly expressed my opinion, I would have wished something else than DRM, but it will not stop me and I don't think that internet accessibility & reliability is an issue for the majority of people who can afford a Rig to play SH5.

Nevertheless there are other issues about DRM, no doubt about it.

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I suggest we should move on now.

Sincerely sorry for the inconvenience that all this could have caused.

sabretwo · 02-02-10, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Méo

I speak for the average player when I say:

I think that IF someone can afford the luxury of a Rig that currently runs SH5, AND IF he can afford the luxury of spending time playing it (instead of spending time earning money), HE CAN afford a REASONABLE internet connection, there's no doubt about it in my mind.

I don't think you understand my point, Meo. For many of us, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF CHOICE!!!!

In many of our cases, cost of monthly service is not the issue. (But it may be for those who pay per MB, like many of our European members.) I pay almost $100 per month for satellite Internet at our vacation house in Georgia. Problem is satellite Internet is highly unreliable! If it rains, your screwed. If its too overcast, your screwed. And North Georgia certainly gets its share of those days! Where money is an issue is needing to pay $5,000-$10,000 to have a cable line run out to the house so I can have a stable Internet connection to play a stinking game that shouldn't require it to begin with. Or having to pay $20-$30 per night for Internet access while in a hotel. (Which is about 30-40% of my gaming time.)

Sorry if I sound VERY frustrated by this but I keep hearing people talk about this like we have a choice.

NEWSFLASH! There is a whole big world out there beyond your neighborhood. In that great big world, there are lots of places that do not have cable or fiber Internet yet and may not for many years to come. And YES, those "hicks" and "pygmies" often have high end computers and even money to buy games. In fact, there are geographically MORE of those places in the world than there are that have high speed wired Internet.

With all respect guys, please stop being _____ and assuming that everybody lives in your apartment building!

(Oops, Sorry Neal, I was going to say obtuse but then I realzed that might be provacative so I just left it blank.

)

Méo · 02-02-10, 10:37 PM

Yeah, and that's why I said the average player, I don't think the average player possess a vacation house.

Call me obtuse if you wish, but no matter what will be the solution to fight piracy, it will be impossible to please everyone, there will always have exceptions.

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Since you're obviously not the average player, I think it would be more appropriate for you to send a e-mail or call Ubisoft at their customer support services division and explain your situation.

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I think I been clear enough about my opinion and I don't want to spend more time explaining it.

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Edit: If you don't want to contact their customer support services division, you can always try to send a private message to one of the devs here.

02-02-10, 06:24 PM	#694
product Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Performance reduction caused by DRM Hi All, Just thought I'd add a comment that I have not seen covered yet... the need to remain connected online throughout a game imposes a serious performance penalty on even a high end PC. Many gamers disable internet functions while playing to avoid this, including me... forgetting about the issues of principal here, what Ubi is doing is causing unecessary stuttering, hangups and potential crashes. Count me out.

02-02-10, 07:17 PM	#698
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Steeltrap, I have to disagree with you - and here is my reasoning. Sure the traffic itself isn't burdensome. But alot of gamers disconnect from the net with SP games so they can do things like kill AV and firewalls, which CAN when left running seriously degrade gaming performance. Its not just the connection - but a host of other things that can have an affect. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

02-02-10, 10:37 PM	#705
Méo Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Quebec City Posts: 1,153 Downloads: 258 Uploads: 0	Yeah, and that's why I said *the average player, I don't think the average player possess a vacation house. Call me obtuse* if you wish, but no matter what will be the solution to fight piracy, it will be impossible to please everyone, there will always have exceptions. ---- Since you're obviously not the average player, I think it would be more appropriate for you to send a e-mail or call Ubisoft at their customer support services division and explain your situation. ---- I think I been clear enough about my opinion and I don't want to spend more time explaining it. ---- Edit: If you don't want to contact their customer support services division, you can always try to send a private message to one of the devs here. Last edited by Méo; 02-02-10 at 10:54 PM.

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Sea Demon Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,552 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Regardless of all the arguments, I see both points of view. UBIsoft needs to protect their investment, and consumers don't want the DRM for all the reasons listed. Can't blame either side. But the common enemy here is the pirates. UBIsoft is not the enemy here. I hope eventually something can replace a solution like this DRM (online only) application. But for now, it's what we got. I for one want a SH6 Gato Class in the future. As I totally prefer the Pacific Theater. But there are elements in SH5 I find compelling. I for one will be buying this sim. No doubt about it.