The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[Mikhayl]

Originally Posted by Méo

The network must somewhere have been efficient because this game has known unprecedented growth & success.

Now if you guys don't want to buy SH5 because it requires an internet connection and you think it should not, it's your choice, but it's another debate than what my point was about.

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My point was:

Internet accessibility & reliability don't actually prevent millions of people around the world from playing PC games.

Your point is just nonsense. People who buy MMOs are people who know they have a good connection.

People who bought SH3 and SH4 didn't care about having a connection at all. Those people who bought SH3 and SH4 and happen to have no connection, or no unlimited connection, are as much people who won't be able to play/buy SH5.

I understand people who don't mind that nonsensical DRM, but if you need to force on the obtuse to justify it, it shows that there's something rotten about it.

[Arclight]

Originally Posted by Méo

The network must somewhere have been efficient because this game has known unprecedented growth & success.

Now if you guys don't want to buy SH5 because it requires an internet connection and you think it should not, it's your choice, but it's another debate than what my point was about.

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My point was:

Internet accessibility & reliability don't actually prevent millions of people around the world from playing PC games.

Not millions, but some, and that's the reason (or 1 of the reasons) people don't like it.

I'll buy it, online requirement is not an obstacle for me. Sadly I already, unknowingly, crossed that line; seems hypocritical to boycott it now. But there are still some people that are shut out this way. Doesn't matter if the same can be said for WoW, that's a whole different ball game.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Your point is just nonsense.

Nonsense, really?

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

People who buy MMOs are people who know they have a good connection.

Can you explain in detail what is the ''good connection'' that will be needed to play SH5.


Nonsense, I guess you can prove this is not a fact:

Internet accessibility & reliability don't actually prevent millions of people around the world from playing PC games.

I guess your ancestors were among those who said that it was NONSENSE that the Germans could to pass through the Ardennes...

NONSENSE... typical French condescension.

[Mikhayl]

Here: http://shop.ubi.com/Prod_ExtDesc.asp?catalogid=994

System requirements

A permanent high speed internet connection and creation of a ubisoft account are required to play this video game at all times.

Originally Posted by Méo

I guess your ancestors were among those who said that it was NONSENSE that the Germans could to pass through the Ardennes...

NONSENSE... typical French condescension.

[Méo]

And now prove this

Internet accessibility & reliability don't actually prevent millions of people around the world from playing PC games.

is not a fact, and this is nonsense...

[Mikhayl]

Originally Posted by Méo

And now prove this

is not a fact, and this is nonsense...

No, it's just you being hopelessly obtuse

[Ragtag]

Originally Posted by Méo

The network must somewhere have been efficient because this game has known unprecedented growth & success.

Now if you guys don't want to buy SH5 because it requires an internet connection and you think it should not, it's your choice, but it's another debate than what my point was about.

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My point was:

Internet accessibility & reliability don't actually prevent millions of people around the world from playing PC games.

Of course they are efficient now, Blizzard has spent years and loads of money to tweak and maintain the servers. Take a look at some threads from the first years in the WoW forums. I played WoW the first year so i have some idea what i'm talking about.

Another thing is Ubisofts extremely poor support. There has been problems with SH4 online for half a year now and they still haven't bothered to fix that. Not to mention the downtime on their other services. This is the MAIN consern and this is a problem every Ubi customer has to endure from now on because all major titles will include the OSP. There WILL be alot of problems the first year minimum untill they have tweaked the service to optimum for a surtain amount of connections online. Think of all the hundreds of thousands connections that has to be connected at the same time 24 hours a day. It will take a HUGE amount of broadband and it definatly needs some extreme server network globally. Sit down and think about it. And don't compare this to WoW cause their servers are optimum but it did take Blizzard years to get there. The big problem isn't the home connections in general but how Ubisoft are going to set this up, not to mention where. I can imagine how good my ping will be when i'm here in Norway and have to connect to some server in Canada.

If i had 100% thrust in Ubisoft and i was surtain this was going to work well from the start i would have bought their games and give it a shot. But for now i have zero thrust in Ubi and i'm saying this out of my own experiences over the last 20 years in the gaming industry.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

No, it's just you being hopelessly obtuse

Nice proof !

Probably the kind of proof needed to graduate in your schools..

No wonder so many people around the world hate French.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Arclight

I'll buy it, online requirement is not an obstacle for me. Sadly

Same for me, sad that we must now be connected. Nevertheless I was showing that millions of people around the world does that.

[Ragtag]

Originally Posted by Méo

Same for me, sad that we must now be connected. Nevertheless I was showing that millions of people around the world does that.

Yeah, millions are but the connections are spread over millions of servers. Ubisoft doesn't have a million servers but they do have several million customers

[Mikhayl]

Originally Posted by Méo

Nice proof !

Probably the kind of proof needed to graduate in your schools..

No wonder so many people around the world hate French.

Cute.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Ragtag

Yeah, millions are but the connections are spread over millions of servers. Ubisoft doesn't have a million servers but they do have several million customers

If they are unable to handle it, they will be shooting themselves in the foot.

That could have, later, a major impact on their paychecks, not on mine.

[sabretwo]

Originally Posted by Méo

Funny, internet accessibility & reliability don't actually prevent 11.5 million people from playing World of Warcraft.

Meo,

Your statement doesn't make sense.

With all due respect, I personally dont give a flying monkey fu%@ about those "11.5 million" that have the luxury of a constant Internet connection. I don't play WoW (or any other multi-player online game) or have any desire to do so.

I do, however, have a desire to play single-player games, like SH5, which in principle shouldn't require any type of Internet connection to operate.

So, YES, my point stands. This UNNECESSARY requirement UBI created EXCLUDES many of us who otherwise would have bought the game the moment it was available.

I do give UBI credit for having some serious balls. This whole gamble they're taking will definately go one way or the other. Either its a brillant move (playing chicken with the customer community) forcing the community to accept a new draconian form of DRM, or it will be a collassal failure (quite possibly costing millions in lost sales and creating long-term ill will).

These UBI execs seem like they'd be more at home at a Vegas craps table than a corporate board room. (Too bad for shareholders...UBI's execs are playing with their chips.)

Hmmmm...Now that I think about it, I wonder what the delta is on December-January 2011 puts for UBI? If I can't play SH5, maybe I can at least make a profit from it.

[Ragtag]

Originally Posted by Méo

If they are unable to handle it, they will be shooting themselves in the foot.

That could have, later, a major impact on their paychecks, not on mine.

They won't be the first to do that

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by sabretwo

Hmmmm...Now that I think about it, I wonder what the delta is on December-January 2011 puts for UBI? If I can't play SH5, maybe I can at least make a profit from it.

Unfortunately, no options available for UBSFY: