The proposed health care bill thread (merged)

Catfish · 01-30-10, 03:07 PM

"social responsibility" and the freedom to give a damn about others.
This covers the whole situation quite reasonably. Just think a bit about it, calmly, and without prejudice.

/rant on
Certainly this stands against the "right" of self-actualization, but have you ever thought about how far this may go until damageing your neighbour ? And the "freedom" and all that America is about: Like plutocracy, locust capitalism and giving a damn about the poor. "Fun" for some few, really.
Did i forget those who i call "religiously challenged", like scientologists, creationists and all those people who assume that "god is with the good ones", and if someone is poor it is his own guilt, maybe he should pray a bit more, and pay those TV preachers. Why don't the poor just get a job ? Not to forgot the NRA, the Ku-Klux-Clan and Fox News.
The freedom to buy a car, to kill some "sand-******s" abroad and generally bullying against all that stands against own interests, resources and money-wise. The freedom to give a damn.

Strange, it is foremost young people who have a job and never experienced REAL problems in their life, who say they want to pay for their own health insurance, and e.g. older people who lost all their money (maybe in those bank crashes?) are not able to work anymore, can also go to hell. Ask some unemployed Detroit workers, who lost their jobs due to some "managers" (who are not really worth being called that) and now need a dentist, how they think about it.
Everyone can become president of the USA, with a "bit" of money or industrial influence, that is. I would not even call this system of elections a "democracy".
And as soon as someone comes along who thinks a bit more about the future, who has charisma of the right kind, and an ideal, and cares about your own country and how to handle it and make it a bit better, he is instantly accused of being against this glorious freedom to give a damn about social ideas. It is not the man, but that he's a democrat, and black. Certainly no one mentions this, officially. It is this official lack of interest, that pi$$es me off. This bighead behaviour of the old-time McCarthy types is so outright wrong and self-righteous.

Back then in Nixon times the solution to all problems was not to change the real situation of egoism and unfairness, but to not let it leak out too much, to not outrage the populace. Panem et circenses etc.
Now the rigth wing admits being greedy, corrupt and giving a damn about what they said yesterday, they do this "leak-out" officially, and the people applaud them ?!
I guess you cannot even imagine how this rage against Mr. Obama is being looked at and evaluated outside of the USA. Certainly, why give a damn.
If you want to know what's up with Israel and Palestine, and the US president's "efforts" of the last decades, you have the core of the problem. We should probably not expect too much from this country any more.

Why have social responsability, why even give anything to the poor, let it be, problem solved. Same with health insurance.
I have long ago thought that the US would be morally or anything superior, but this hounding from just industry bosses of all and their controlling media, against social ideas of the first president to have a genuine concern about the future of your own country since a very long time, is nothing but a rotten bloodhound chase.

/rant off

Edit: Yes, i have read the article, but i think it is wrong. People do not just rage against Obama, because he "explains to them what is obvious", so that they "feel like idiots". Certainly the older governments have consistently been corrupt, paid by the weapon industry lobbies and belied their populace, and all this B$ is now being blamed on Obama.

But if a right-wing politician now exclaims he is against public health insurance, and against giving some less-rich people the opportunity to join a new public system of social responsability, he is being applauded for being "credible", just because he now says what he thinks openly and admits being an egoistic as$hole ?!

Those were the people who have messed around with the US populace before Obama, i cannot understand it.
There's some real media-driven hate in the US, and the republicans not only innocently profit from this, they are the initial fire raisers.

"Obama's administration made a tremendous mistake by not immediately branding the economic collapse that we had just had as the Republicans' Depression, caused by the Bush administration's ideology of unregulated greed. The result is that now people blame him."

That's more about it.

Greetings,
Catfish

P.S. @Platapus immediately south of this post: By god you are a good man.

01-30-10, 03:07 PM	#9
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,804 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	"social responsibility" and the freedom to give a damn about others. This covers the whole situation quite reasonably. Just think a bit about it, calmly, and without prejudice. /rant on Certainly this stands against the "right" of self-actualization, but have you ever thought about how far this may go until damageing your neighbour ? And the "freedom" and all that America is about: Like plutocracy, locust capitalism and giving a damn about the poor. "Fun" for some few, really. Did i forget those who i call "religiously challenged", like scientologists, creationists and all those people who assume that "god is with the good ones", and if someone is poor it is his own guilt, maybe he should pray a bit more, and pay those TV preachers. Why don't the poor just get a job ? Not to forgot the NRA, the Ku-Klux-Clan and Fox News. The freedom to buy a car, to kill some "sand-*****s" abroad and generally bullying against all that stands against own interests, resources and money-wise. The freedom to give a damn. Strange, it is foremost young people who have a job and never experienced REAL problems in their life, who say they want to pay for their own health insurance, and e.g. older people who lost all their money (maybe in those bank crashes?) are not able to work anymore, can also go to hell. Ask some unemployed Detroit workers, who lost their jobs due to some "managers" (who are not really worth being called that) and now need a dentist, how they think about it. Everyone can become president of the USA, with a "bit" of money or industrial influence, that is. I would not even call this system of elections a "democracy". And as soon as someone comes along who thinks a bit more about the future, who has charisma of the right kind, and an ideal, and cares about your own country and how to handle it and make it a bit better, he is instantly accused of being against this glorious freedom to give a damn about social ideas. It is not the man, but that he's a democrat, and black. Certainly no one mentions this, officially. It is this official lack of interest, that pi$$es me off. This bighead behaviour of the old-time McCarthy types is so outright wrong and self-righteous. Back then in Nixon times the solution to all problems was not to change the real situation of egoism and unfairness, but to not let it leak out too much, to not outrage the populace. Panem et circenses etc. Now the rigth wing admits being greedy, corrupt and giving a damn about what they said yesterday, they do this "leak-out" officially, and the people applaud them ?! I guess you cannot even imagine how this rage against Mr. Obama is being looked at and evaluated outside of the USA. Certainly, why give a damn. If you want to know what's up with Israel and Palestine, and the US president's "efforts" of the last decades, you have the core of the problem. We should probably not expect too much from this country any more. Why have social responsability, why even give anything to the poor, let it be, problem solved. Same with health insurance. I have long ago thought that the US would be morally or anything superior, but this hounding from just industry bosses of all and their controlling media, against social ideas of the first president to have a genuine concern about the future of your own country since a very long time, is nothing but a rotten bloodhound chase. /rant off Edit: Yes, i have read the article, but i think it is wrong. People do not just rage against Obama, because he "explains to them what is obvious", so that they "feel like idiots". Certainly the older governments have consistently been corrupt, paid by the weapon industry lobbies and belied their populace, and all this B$ is now being blamed on Obama. But if a right-wing politician now exclaims he is against* public health insurance, and against giving some less-rich people the opportunity to join a new public system of social responsability, he is being applauded for being "credible", just because he now says what he thinks openly and admits being an egoistic as$hole ?! Those were the people who have messed around with the US populace before Obama, i cannot understand it. There's some real media-driven hate in the US, and the republicans not only innocently profit from this, they are the initial fire raisers. "Obama's administration made a tremendous mistake by not immediately branding the economic collapse that we had just had as the Republicans' Depression, caused by the Bush administration's ideology of unregulated greed. The result is that now people blame him." That's more about it. Greetings, Catfish P.S. @Platapus immediately south of this post: By god you are a good man. Last edited by Catfish; 01-31-10 at 06:57 AM.