I have this DRM in Rise of Flight

Richard G · 01-30-10, 09:18 AM

Couldn't help but notice the DRM talk here, I'll tell you what I know about it.

Rise of Flight has online connection requirement, and also saves your games and missions on their servers.

I have a broadband connection, and while I havent had connection issues, there were times when their servers were down and no one could play (I didn't notice, I don't play it much anymore, the gameplay is really lacking in this one).

The biggest pain in the ass with this style drm...load times. They are ridiculous. I have an overclocked quadcore with latest and greatest graphics card etc... just for gaming but it doesnt matter. I'll fire this ROF up sometimes and litteraly stare at the load screen for close to 5 minutes while some quick mission, with my career stats, medals, and other nonesense has to be downloaded from somewhere in Moscow, half the world away.

Nine time out of ten I end up hitting the escape button and loading up something else to play.

Seeing how the ROF mission are kept online, I dont really know how big those files are. But someone can go back and look at SH3 or SH4 and see how big those save game files are, and get a good idea of how much you'll be downloading everytime you fire up the game.

Thats all I have to say about it.

bigboywooly · 01-30-10, 09:24 AM

+1

At last someone who uses DRM and tells it as is
Not how it should be

swampa · 01-30-10, 10:08 AM

I was wondering about this, top end computer etc. whether the connection holds the game back

GreyOctober · 01-30-10, 10:17 AM

Dont compare the ROF DRM with the UBI DRM...not the same producer, not the same technology, not the same servers. Although the basic principle of protecting a game with Internet connection is the same, the similarities stop there.

DON'T

JUMP

TO

CONCLUSIONS.

bigboywooly · 01-30-10, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyOctober

Dont compare the ROF DRM with the UBI DRM...not the same producer, not the same technology, not the same servers. Although the basic principle of protecting a game with Internet connection is the same, the similarities stop there.

DON'T

JUMP

TO

CONCLUSIONS.

Not jumping to conclusions
There are those that have posted using DRMs - ok different to Ubis - make no difference

The OP says they do

Besides no conclusions to jump to
DONT want to be shackled to ubi 24/7 or however long I play

JU_88 · 01-30-10, 10:26 AM

Open the Silent Hunter V forum, hit Cntrl + F and seach for 'DRM'
more than half the topic titles contain the word 'DRM' on page 1 alone.
Maybe there should be an SHV 'DRM' forum

JScones · 01-30-10, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Besides no conclusions to jump to
DONT want to be shackled to ubi 24/7 or however long I play

Agreed. Or, more to the point, whenever they let you play.

Great to see you back, btw.

bigboywooly · 01-30-10, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

Agreed. Or, more to the point, whenever they let you play.

Great to see you back, btw.

Thanx Jaesen
Few problems in RL but those are shall we say sorted now
Picked a good time to pitch back up to by the looks of it

JackAubrey · 01-30-10, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

+1
At last someone who uses DRM and tells it as is

+1 from me also, as I am experiencing the same drawbacks with the RoF DRM.
I drank the Kool-Aid and bought RoF because I love WW1 Flightsims and I wanted to support a small developer. I thought, "Hey, you´re on Cable with a Broadband connection. What could possibly happen?"
What happened is, what the OP told us. The Load times are utterly ridiculous and the Servers have a hiccup every now and then. It may not be often but it keeps me from playing when I want.
What I heard is, that the RoF Devs want to get rid of this special DRM Scheme in a future patch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Not how it should be

Put the CD in the Drive, hit "Install" and after that hit "Play Game."
Just like in the old times. *sigh*

Do you remember when games came with a printed manual and once in a while you were asked in-Game to put in the 3rd word on the 4th line on Page 12? Golden Times.....

To be honest, I absolutely understand the need for Anti-Piracy Measures to a certain degree. The "certain degree" for me is the amount of hassle that the honest, paying customer has.
If a Pirate gets to play a game with every DRM removed and therefore without the problems I experience, then I don't see why I should embrace that special DRM at all and pay money for it. I pay money, support the Developer and Publisher and I am not allowed to play when I want but the Pirates happily play whenever and wherever they want? That seems a little bit unfair to me.

I could live with some sort of online Activation if a "Revoke Tool" is also present to "deactivate" my Game in order to reinstall it or something like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JU_88

Open the Silent Hunter V forum, hit Cntrl + F and seach for 'DRM'
more than half the topic titles contain the word 'DRM' on page 1 alone.
Maybe there should be an SHV 'DRM' forum

Yeah. We could have one "SHV DRM Venting" Subforum and keep on whining there. Sounds good.

SteamWake · 01-30-10, 10:35 AM

Im not so sure the load times are due to 'online' drm.

I have had load time issues with other copy protection schemes.

I tried the demo of ROF and found the loading times bearable, certainly no worse than SH4.

The demo did require a registration however but no saved games were involved so maybe the full retail is worse.

Honestly I am waiting on neoqb to drop the persistant connection requirement as they said they would.

Then I will consider a purchase

bigboywooly · 01-30-10, 10:37 AM

They were sometimes a PITA those measures but they worked
9 times out of 10 also meant you had a manual of sorts included so was a bonus
TBH wouldt mind that sort of protection now

There are so many better ways than this OSP out there anyway

LuboS · 01-31-10, 06:18 AM

I have RoF too.
High end PC, broadband connection and still loading times of every mission are really ridiculous ...
And btw, right now authorization server for RoF is down, so no one can play ...

http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=7091

- LuboS

Letum · 01-31-10, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuboS

And btw, right now authorization server for RoF is down, so no one can play ...

Take note all!

Hitman · 01-31-10, 08:17 AM

As I posted in another thread, anyone who has modded knows that the best part of the time goes in loading & reloading the game to test the changes, as well as the effects of research modifications you do.

Do you have an idea what it might mean for a modder to have to wait EACH TIME until the friggin server checks that he is not a pirate and allows the game to load? Those familiar with ROF, with similar online protection, know that load times that could be very quick are ethernal due to the damned protection system. So I bet this will discourage most modders to work with SH5, unless they have resolved to expend their entire lives on that ...

And what game do you think is best? SH4 stock or SH3 modded with f.e. GWX? You bet the answer is clear, and so will it be for SH5 ... a modded SH4 or even SH3 predecessor will probably kick its butt by far. And because modding SH5 will be a nightmare due to the DRM, then it will never take off really, unlike what happened with SH3/4

Méo · 01-31-10, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JU_88

Open the Silent Hunter V forum, hit Cntrl + F and seach for 'DRM'
more than half the topic titles contain the word 'DRM' on page 1 alone.
Maybe there should be an SHV 'DRM' forum

Sad...

But I wouldn't use this

I would rather use something like this

...and this

01-30-10, 09:18 AM	#1
Richard G Mate Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 52 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I have this DRM in Rise of Flight Couldn't help but notice the DRM talk here, I'll tell you what I know about it. Rise of Flight has online connection requirement, and also saves your games and missions on their servers. I have a broadband connection, and while I havent had connection issues, there were times when their servers were down and no one could play (I didn't notice, I don't play it much anymore, the gameplay is really lacking in this one). The biggest pain in the ass with this style drm...load times. They are ridiculous. I have an overclocked quadcore with latest and greatest graphics card etc... just for gaming but it doesnt matter. I'll fire this ROF up sometimes and litteraly stare at the load screen for close to 5 minutes while some quick mission, with my career stats, medals, and other nonesense has to be downloaded from somewhere in Moscow, half the world away. Nine time out of ten I end up hitting the escape button and loading up something else to play. Seeing how the ROF mission are kept online, I dont really know how big those files are. But someone can go back and look at SH3 or SH4 and see how big those save game files are, and get a good idea of how much you'll be downloading everytime you fire up the game. Thats all I have to say about it. __________________ Sagiere-Classis-Destructum

01-30-10, 09:24 AM	#2
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	+1 At last someone who uses DRM and tells it as is Not how it should be __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

01-30-10, 10:17 AM	#4
GreyOctober Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 394 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Dont compare the ROF DRM with the UBI DRM...not the same producer, not the same technology, not the same servers. Although the basic principle of protecting a game with Internet connection is the same, the similarities stop there. DON'T JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS. __________________

01-30-10, 10:35 AM	#10
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Im not so sure the load times are due to 'online' drm. I have had load time issues with other copy protection schemes. I tried the demo of ROF and found the loading times bearable, certainly no worse than SH4. The demo did require a registration however but no saved games were involved so maybe the full retail is worse. Honestly I am waiting on neoqb to drop the persistant connection requirement as they said they would. Then I will consider a purchase __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

01-30-10, 10:37 AM	#11
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	They were sometimes a PITA those measures but they worked 9 times out of 10 also meant you had a manual of sorts included so was a bonus TBH wouldt mind that sort of protection now There are so many better ways than this OSP out there anyway __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

01-30-10, 10:08 AM	#3
swampa Mate Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Posts: 55 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	I was wondering about this, top end computer etc. whether the connection holds the game back

01-30-10, 10:26 AM	#6
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Open the Silent Hunter V forum, hit Cntrl + F and seach for 'DRM' more than half the topic titles contain the word 'DRM' on page 1 alone. Maybe there should be an SHV 'DRM' forum

01-31-10, 06:18 AM	#12
LuboS Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 6 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I have RoF too. High end PC, broadband connection and still loading times of every mission are really ridiculous ... And btw, right now authorization server for RoF is down, so no one can play ... http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=7091 - LuboS

01-31-10, 08:17 AM	#14
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	As I posted in another thread, anyone who has modded knows that the best part of the time goes in loading & reloading the game to test the changes, as well as the effects of research modifications you do. Do you have an idea what it might mean for a modder to have to wait EACH TIME until the friggin server checks that he is not a pirate and allows the game to load? Those familiar with ROF, with similar online protection, know that load times that could be very quick are ethernal due to the damned protection system. So I bet this will discourage most modders to work with SH5, unless they have resolved to expend their entire lives on that ... And what game do you think is best? SH4 stock or SH3 modded with f.e. GWX? You bet the answer is clear, and so will it be for SH5 ... a modded SH4 or even SH3 predecessor will probably kick its butt by far. And because modding SH5 will be a nightmare due to the DRM, then it will never take off really, unlike what happened with SH3/4 __________________ One day I will return to sea ...