Civilized DRM Debate Thread

[Brag]

I don't like it.

It doesn't have one single benefit for the customer.

It is also the first step of many toward you not being able to own any games and need to pay service fee to play.

"nuff said.

For those who don't yet understand, it SUXXS.

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Well I dont think anyone really 'likes' DRM, there are those against and those who will tolerate.
I think its really inconsiderate of those who cannot access Broadband due to there location. hell its bordering on discrimination if you ask me.
Broad Band simply isnt available to everyone.

Speaking for myself, I will purchase SHV regardless, I want to support the franchise, I want to support the fantastic Romanian dev team and Im also exited to have a new subsiming exerience.

Im not worried about the DRM in terms of my own internet connetion as only get D/C'd one in a blue moon, and when i do its nothing that a quick router reboot wont fix.

However I do worry about the reliablity of Ubi's servers, now the following statment might get be brig time here- but I'll be honest.
If I get problems with a connection to Ubis servers when there is no issue at my end.
I will most likey download & install the first illegal (but virus free) crack/DRM removal tool for SHV that i find, I have little doubt that there will be one.

I will Pay full price for my pre-ordered legit copy of SHV
I will not have my SHV playing time messed up because UBIs servers are are out of action.

So if the DRM goes ahead, i just hope the servers to up to scratch, I do not want to be forced to break the law.

Originally Posted by Brag

I don't like it.

It doesn't have one single benefit for the customer.

It is also the first step of many toward you not being able to own any games and need to pay service fee to play.

"nuff said.

For those who don't yet understand, it SUXXS.

I agree with both posters.

It's the Principle of the thing.

[sergei]

OK, I'll post this here as well, I don't think Trenken wants to answer me.
(To be fair, he may not be here anymore)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seaman_Hornsby
But the critical thing that makes Steam work is the OFFLINE MODE. You can still play your paid-for games if your connection goes down or is unavailable.

Which is my major problem.
I can understand a publisher (of music, movies, games whatever) asking me to authenticate my ownership of something every now and again. I don't particularly like it, but as a realist I can understand it.
But it is not the same as requiring me to be connected to them the whole time I play my single player game.
Is this really necessary for authentication of ownership?
I don't think it is.

I play a few games that have various forms of DRM.
They are all a pain in the arse to install and activate, but I happily put up with that because that is the way the world has gone.
However: NONE of them insist that I connect permanently via the internet to the company that made the game (or published it, or produced it, whatever).

I understand that some here object to DRM on principal. And good luck arguing with those people. You are never going to get any sort of agreement there.

I don't particularly like DRM, but understand that that is the way things are going to go, so I am going to have to deal with it.

I object to the manner in which it is being implemented, specifically with respect to this game.

UBI tells us about the benefits of DRM, (which isn't really DRM as I understand it, it is actually cloud computing), yet they have neglected to address the concerns of the many (read that again, MANY), who will have problems with this.

Some people may be lucky enough to live in 24/7/365 great connection land but more people than you may imagine do not.
I do not doubt the assertion that one day all will be like this: but at the moment this is not so, and those of us unable to participate in this bright future will continue to remind the lucky ones that 24/7/365 is not universal the world over.

Just to remind you:
My issue is NOT with DRM.
It is with the assumption that any gamer who wants to play this game should have a permanent, stable internet connection.

The Game wants me to authenticate online when I install: OK I can live with that.
The Game wants me to authenticate online when I start a new career: Not very happy, but I guess I can do that.
The Game wants me to be online the whole fekkin time I play the single player game: Now I got a problem.

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by sergei

OK, I'll post this here as well, I don't think Trenken wants to answer me.
(To be fair, he may not be here anymore)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seaman_Hornsby
But the critical thing that makes Steam work is the OFFLINE MODE. You can still play your paid-for games if your connection goes down or is unavailable.

Which is my major problem.
I can understand a publisher (of music, movies, games whatever) asking me to authenticate my ownership of something every now and again. I don't particularly like it, but as a realist I can understand it.
But it is not the same as requiring me to be connected to them the whole time I play my single player game.
Is this really necessary for authentication of ownership?
I don't think it is.

I play a few games that have various forms of DRM.
They are all a pain in the arse to install and activate, but I happily put up with that because that is the way the world has gone.
However: NONE of them insist that I connect permanently via the internet to the company that made the game (or published it, or produced it, whatever).

I understand that some here object to DRM on principal. And good luck arguing with those people. You are never going to get any sort of agreement there.

I don't particularly like DRM, but understand that that is the way things are going to go, so I am going to have to deal with it.

I object to the manner in which it is being implemented, specifically with respect to this game.

UBI tells us about the benefits of DRM, (which isn't really DRM as I understand it, it is actually cloud computing), yet they have neglected to address the concerns of the many (read that again, MANY), who will have problems with this.

Some people may be lucky enough to live in 24/7/365 great connection land but more people than you may imagine do not.
I do not doubt the assertion that one day all will be like this: but at the moment this is not so, and those of us unable to participate in this bright future will continue to remind the lucky ones that 24/7/365 is not universal the world over.

Just to remind you:
My issue is NOT with DRM.
It is with the assumption that any gamer who wants to play this game should have a permanent, stable internet connection.

The Game wants me to authenticate online when I install: OK I can live with that.
The Game wants me to authenticate online when I start a new career: Not very happy, but I guess I can do that.
The Game wants me to be online the whole fekkin time I play the single player game: Now I got a problem.

He was a mole from Ubisoft Damage Control Divison.

btw Good post.