The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread - Page 12

Letum · 02-16-10, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GREY WOLF 3

There will be alot of returns.if drm is like our postal service.

Watcha got against our postal service?

/postal engineer

Heretic · 02-16-10, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum

Yup, OLC is right.

If you buy anything in the UK and have any reason not to be happy with
it, you can return it for a refund; whatever the end user agreement is.

Ha! That's what you get for living in a socialist hellhole! Here in the States, we recognize the God-given right of Corporations to screw over their customers any way they can. Best government money can buy.

onelifecrisis · 02-16-10, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Heretic

Ha! That's what you get for living in a socialist hellhole! Here in the States, we recognize the God-give right of Corporations to screw over their customers any way they can. Best government money can buy.

elanaiba · 02-16-10, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

Let's say that someone purchases Silent Hunter 5, and because of his personal availability, he can only actually play the game between the hours of 6PM and 8PM on Saturdays and Sundays.

Because those days are the busiest in terms of server access, every time he tries to log on and play the game during that window, he is denied access.

He has therefore spent $49 on a game that he can't play. He can't get his money back on the game, because nobody offers a refund for computer software/video games, and he can't change his availability in order to try and access the servers at a different time.

In the pre DRM era he would have had no problem, but now he has a $49 coaster and no access to a game he wants to play.

Does he have a legal claim against Ubisoft? I wonder what kind of disclaimer will be written in the mice type on the box?

http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Hunter-...6334544&sr=8-1

I don't know about disclaimer but I can see something very large written on that box.

TDK1044 · 02-16-10, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Hunter-...6334544&sr=8-1

I don't know about disclaimer but I can see something very large written on that box.

Sure, Dan. But that 'Internet Connection Required' statement doesn't address Ubisoft's legal requirement to provide server access 24/7. It simply states that you need an internet connection in order to play the game.

TDK1044 · 02-16-10, 10:52 AM

This thread honestly wasn't meant as another negative DRM issue, but rather a genuine concern regarding what I consider to be a potential powder keg.

elanaiba · 02-16-10, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

Sure, Dan. But that 'Internet Connection Required' statement doesn't address Ubisoft's legal requirement to provide server access 24/7. It simply states that you need an internet connection in order to play the game.

Oh, I get it now, you're referring what happens if the Ubi server is the one actually "problematic".

Yep, no idea on that part. Hopefully that won't be a problem though.

TDK1044 · 02-16-10, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

Oh, I get it now, you're referring what happens if the Ubi server is the one actually "problematic".

Yep, no idea on that part. Hopefully that won't be a problem though.

I can only judge by the multi player option in earlier versions, Dan. I tried it three or four times. I was never able to connect and so I gave up. Not a big problem as I prefer the single player mode anyway. But it would be a big problem this time, because a player has to use the servers in order to play the game at all.

Wilcke · 02-16-10, 10:48 AM

I have two copies on pre-order; one for me and the other to give away, have to spread the sub love.

The "internet connection needed" is printed very clearly on the front of the box so there is no need to return anything.

TDK1044 · 02-16-10, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilcke

I have two copies on pre-order; one for me and the other to give away, have to spread the sub love.

The "internet connection needed" is printed very clearly on the front of the box so there is no need to return anything.

Sure there is if your internet connection is working perfectly but Ubisoft's servers are not accessible.

ryanglavin · 02-16-10, 10:54 AM

Its a single player game, and I have a feeling that the only reason Ubisoft put DRM on SH5 was that they put it on every other product that they're coming out with (nearly, but name me a product thats coming out that doesn't from Ubisoft, cause I'll buy it

)

danlisa · 02-16-10, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Hunter-...6334544&sr=8-1

I don't know about disclaimer but I can see something very large written on that box.

Don't see that requirement on the UK box.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silent-Hunte...6335363&sr=8-1

Either way (assuming box art is incorrect), server outages/downtime prevent the owners of the game from playing. That is where the respective law in each country will come into play. Ubi could potentially be open to claims from stores or retailers following refunds to disappointed owners (assuming the servers continue along current form).

elanaiba · 02-16-10, 10:57 AM

danlisa, scroll a little down:

Manufacturer's Description

A permanent Broadband internet connection and creation of a Ubisoft log-in are required to play.

danlisa · 02-16-10, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

danlisa, scroll a little down:

Manufacturer's Description

A permanent Broadband internet connection and creation of a Ubisoft log-in are required to play.

What! Read an entire page on the interwebs? You serious. This generation never reads the small print. I get dazzled by the pretty box and pays my money.

Point taken. Still, the reliability of the servers required for play is the weak point in this DRM venture.

ERPP8 · 02-16-10, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

Let's say that someone purchases Silent Hunter 5, and because of his personal availability, he can only actually play the game between the hours of 6PM and 8PM on Saturdays and Sundays.

Because those days are the busiest in terms of server access, every time he tries to log on and play the game during that window, he is denied access.

He has therefore spent $49 on a game that he can't play. He can't get his money back on the game, because nobody offers a refund for computer software/video games, and he can't change his availability in order to try and access the servers at a different time.

In the pre DRM era he would have had no problem, but now he has a $49 coaster and no access to a game he wants to play.

Does he have a legal claim against Ubisoft? I wonder what kind of disclaimer will be written in the mice type on the box?

How would the server only be available on Saturdays and Sundays?

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elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	danlisa, scroll a little down: Manufacturer's Description A permanent Broadband internet connection and creation of a Ubisoft log-in are required to play. __________________ With strength I burn...

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TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	This thread honestly wasn't meant as another negative DRM issue, but rather a genuine concern regarding what I consider to be a potential powder keg.

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ryanglavin Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Evading that Hunter/Killer Group on my Tail Posts: 584 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Its a single player game, and I have a feeling that the only reason Ubisoft put DRM on SH5 was that they put it on every other product that they're coming out with (nearly, but name me a product thats coming out that doesn't from Ubisoft, cause I'll buy it )