Features in SH1 and Aces That Have Since "Disappeared"

Ducimus · 01-25-10, 11:02 PM

Sad, isn't it?

razark · 01-26-10, 12:08 AM

For SHI, a manual that actually describes the game, the war, the real submarines and tactics, in part written by an actual sub commander.

A calendar with sunrise, sunset, moon rise, moon set, and moon phase information.

Bathythermograph. Air search radar that only displayed range and not bearing. Ability to turn on/off red lights. Abandon ship option. Surface radar that detects land masses. Compressed air. The ability to bottom the sub. In AotD, the ability to get the sub stuck in the mud. Chlorine gas from flooding reaching the batteries. The bar in AotD.

Just a few missing things.

Edit: Ack! How could I forget, from AotD, "Smoke on the horizon!"

dcb · 01-26-10, 01:37 AM

Plus I remember in the old SH1, I was also credited for the ships I damaged, but did not sink.

jazman · 01-26-10, 01:46 AM

You guys are ruining my day.

Obltn Strand · 01-26-10, 02:36 AM

Escort strenght of convoys and possibility of finding unescorted ones

when historically appropiate.

Capt. Morgan · 01-26-10, 03:23 AM

SH1:

Thermoclines were randomized, you never knew if there was one, and at what depth, until you made a test dive. They also changed depth over time/distance.

Raising the periscope on the surface gave you greater visual range.

Ran beautifully on Linux via Dosbox (and Winders too, I guess)

Now Flight Simulator, They know how to upgrade their sim. I've had most every version from Flight simulator II (for the Commie 64) to Microsoft's FS9, and in every new release, they've always just added new features, and never removed old ones.

kptn_kaiserhof · 01-26-10, 04:29 AM

and the very first 3d control room but no crew

d@rk51d3 · 01-26-10, 06:04 AM

Remember getting prop and/or shaft damage that would give your position away, if you tried to sneak away while damaged?

V.C. Sniper · 01-26-10, 06:04 AM

Both have simple graphics that doesn't require the amount of time needed to build and maintain like the graphics of today, therefore more time can be spent on adding new realistic/simulation features.

SAD. Developers have to reinvent the wheel everytime a new game is being developed and forgot much of what was learned from building previous games.

Lanzfeld · 01-26-10, 06:06 AM

This is sad as ****!

I fell in love with subsims for all the above reasons and now all those reasons are gone because some needledicks feel they always have to reinvent the wheel to impress the A.D.D. idiots of the world.

I want Aces back with modern graphics...THAT IS ALL!!!!

TwistedFemur · 01-26-10, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt. Morgan

SH1:

Thermoclines were randomized, you never knew if there was one, and at what depth, until you made a test dive. They also changed depth over time/distance.

Raising the periscope on the surface gave you greater visual range.

Ran beautifully on Linux via Dosbox (and Winders too, I guess)

Now Flight Simulator, They know how to upgrade their sim. I've had most every version from Flight simulator II (for the Commie 64) to Microsoft's FS9, and in every new release, they've always just added new features, and never removed old ones.

And now FS is gone too

raymond6751 · 06-20-10, 06:02 AM

I think the problem has been getting developers who played the earlier versions or even understood what they had to begin with.

You would think as the systems got more powerful, we'd get more game, not less game and more limitations.

In the attempt to use all the bells and whistles of the latest equipment and programming concepts, they have lost an opportunity to enhance what was already great.

DavyJonesFootlocker · 09-04-10, 06:33 PM

Yes in those days I actually hit ships with torps. It's a pity they couldn't have included those fine features.

difool2 · 01-26-10, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcb

Plus I remember in the old SH1, I was also credited for the ships I damaged, but did not sink.

Not in campaign-I once got reprimanded after returning to port after I emptied my entire clip of torps at a Yamato (and got tons of duds & preemies, but some hits).

I would have sworn that we get chlorine gas in SH3/4-say it ain't so Joe!

Right now I have a convoy set up (SH4) south of Korea in about 300 feet of water. I know I stand an excellent chance of getting away afterwards if I can get below the omnipresent thermocline before the escorts get too close. It was always a gamble if the essobee was there or not in SH1...

Chef · 01-26-10, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Sad, isn't it?

Makes me want to get a bottle of whiskey and a shotgun.

It seems that in today's world, gameplay is inversely proportional to graphics eye candy.

I had AoD and SH1 with all of the patrol disks once upon a time. *sniffle*

01-26-10, 01:46 AM	#4
jazman Commander Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Crush Depth Posts: 449 Downloads: 50 Uploads: 0	You guys are ruining my day. __________________ "The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him." -- Chesterton

01-26-10, 03:23 AM	#6
Capt. Morgan Commander Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Just east of the west coast. Posts: 463 Downloads: 424 Uploads: 0	SH1: Thermoclines were randomized, you never knew if there was one, and at what depth, until you made a test dive. They also changed depth over time/distance. Raising the periscope on the surface gave you greater visual range. Ran beautifully on Linux via Dosbox (and Winders too, I guess) Now Flight Simulator, They know how to upgrade their sim. I've had most every version from Flight simulator II (for the Commie 64) to Microsoft's FS9, and in every new release, they've always just added new features, and never removed old ones. __________________ There are no great men, only great challenges that ordinary men are forced by circumstances to meet. -- Admiral William Halsey Last edited by Capt. Morgan; 01-26-10 at 03:41 AM.

01-26-10, 06:04 AM	#9
V.C. Sniper Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 339 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Both have simple graphics that doesn't require the amount of time needed to build and maintain like the graphics of today, therefore more time can be spent on adding new realistic/simulation features. SAD. Developers have to reinvent the wheel everytime a new game is being developed and forgot much of what was learned from building previous games. __________________ I only need one torpedo.

06-20-10, 06:02 AM	#12
raymond6751 Admirable Mike Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,338 Downloads: 421 Uploads: 0	Sad I think the problem has been getting developers who played the earlier versions or even understood what they had to begin with. You would think as the systems got more powerful, we'd get more game, not less game and more limitations. In the attempt to use all the bells and whistles of the latest equipment and programming concepts, they have lost an opportunity to enhance what was already great. __________________ Game Designer: Close The Atlantic - World War Three https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/...orld-war-three

09-04-10, 06:33 PM	#13
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Yes in those days I actually hit ships with torps. It's a pity they couldn't have included those fine features. __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

01-25-10, 11:02 PM	#1
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Sad, isn't it?

01-26-10, 12:08 AM	#2
razark Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,731 Downloads: 393 Uploads: 12	For SHI, a manual that actually describes the game, the war, the real submarines and tactics, in part written by an actual sub commander. A calendar with sunrise, sunset, moon rise, moon set, and moon phase information. Bathythermograph. Air search radar that only displayed range and not bearing. Ability to turn on/off red lights. Abandon ship option. Surface radar that detects land masses. Compressed air. The ability to bottom the sub. In AotD, the ability to get the sub stuck in the mud. Chlorine gas from flooding reaching the batteries. The bar in AotD. Just a few missing things. Edit: Ack! How could I forget, from AotD, "Smoke on the horizon!"

01-26-10, 01:37 AM	#3
dcb Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 845 Downloads: 544 Uploads: 0	Plus I remember in the old SH1, I was also credited for the ships I damaged, but did not sink.

01-26-10, 02:36 AM	#5
Obltn Strand Commodore Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 614 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 0	Escort strenght of convoys and possibility of finding unescorted ones when historically appropiate.

01-26-10, 04:29 AM	#7
kptn_kaiserhof XO Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 418 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	and the very first 3d control room but no crew

01-26-10, 06:04 AM	#8
d@rk51d3 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 1,953 Downloads: 207 Uploads: 0	Remember getting prop and/or shaft damage that would give your position away, if you tried to sneak away while damaged?

01-26-10, 06:06 AM	#10
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	This is sad as ****! I fell in love with subsims for all the above reasons and now all those reasons are gone because some needledicks feel they always have to reinvent the wheel to impress the A.D.D. idiots of the world. I want Aces back with modern graphics...THAT IS ALL!!!!