The two main bones of contention

[AVGWarhawk]

If it works mechanically (i.e. indeed able to run the diesels underwater) how will it look? Will they be able to add the schnorkel tube to the 3-D model? Will it be animated and raise and lower

Been around SH4 lately?

[TDK1044]

Because my knowledge of modding can be comfortably written on a pinhead, I have no idea regarding adding additional subs.

It seems to me though that as the U Boat war in the Atlantic diminished in the latter years of the war, after May of 1943, that it shouldn't be too difficult to create campaign events for the latter years of the U Boat Atlantic war?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Been around SH4 lately?

Unfortunately, no. And like TDK said, my modding knowledge is very scant as well.

[Hitman]

but rather it will be adding the late war technology. Will we be able to add in a schnorkel? ...
What about hedgehogs? Or FOXER devices? Will those be easy enough to mod in?

At the present moment we know alost nothing about how SH5 will be modded, because we yet don't know what will be hardcoded and what not. But I'd like to highlight that if the game stops in May 1943 with the defeat of the uboats, then this is because the allies had by then enough technology to defeat them.

Despite all the things you hear about the wonderful allied technology like Hedgehogs and FIDOS, their use was not as important. It was the extension of centimetric radar to all escorts, and the heavy increase in the number of those escorting ships and patrol airplanes what killed the uboats. If an Uboat had not been killed while exiting the Biscay Bay with a FIDO, it would have been unable to attack a convoy because the radar equipped escorts would have detected him easily, and then would have felt as victim to a hunter killer support group called to finish him by the regular convoy escort. So the impact of that new technology is minimal.

All the technology that defeated the uboats will be in the game by May 1943, and that is good enough to play until 1945, even if you don't get hedgehogs (Which I think actually appeared earlier) and FIDOS.

[Lanzfeld]

Also the Atlantic Gap was closed and there was Huff Duff.

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by Hitman

At the present moment we know alost nothing about how SH5 will be modded, because we yet don't know what will be hardcoded and what not. But I'd like to highlight that if the game stops in May 1943 with the defeat of the uboats, then this is because the allies had by then enough technology to defeat them.

Despite all the things you hear about the wonderful allied technology like Hedgehogs and FIDOS, their use was not as important. It was the extension of centimetric radar to all escorts, and the heavy increase in the number of those escorting ships and patrol airplanes what killed the uboats. If an Uboat had not been killed while exiting the Biscay Bay with a FIDO, it would have been unable to attack a convoy because the radar equipped escorts would have detected him easily, and then would have felt as victim to a hunter killer support group called to finish him by the regular convoy escort. So the impact of that new technology is minimal.

All the technology that defeated the uboats will be in the game by May 1943, and that is good enough to play until 1945, even if you don't get hedgehogs (Which I think actually appeared earlier) and FIDOS.

Great post.

[Mikhayl]

As far as I know/remember, the Schnorkel in SH4 was only possible because the code for it was left over from SH3. Also, it doesn't work properly, you can use the diesel engines under water but CO2 keeps accumulating in the boat so sooner or later you have to surface.

SH5 seems to have very different inners so it's probably moot, but assuming there's no "code ro*******" all this could be added (= schnorkel, weaponry etc). Same for new subs, the hints in the interviews sound positive towards that, but even then I think it would take a long long time to see any new playable sub with a quality level on par with the stock SH5 Type VII.

DLCs aren't a shameful solution, first argument is that they're made by a professional team with the best knowledge of the game engine and the best tools, and second is that they would be produced much much faster than if they're done by a handful of modders (which is approximately the number of people who can model stuff in such detail).

[Iron Budokan]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Been around SH4 lately?

Bingo.

[FIREWALL]

Me hopes GWX4 will hang it's shingle back up.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Me hopes GWX4 will hang it's shingle back up.

Nooooo more GWX..
SHV doesn't need 'GWX' it just needs good modders.
Its somebody elses turn anyway

I been thinking more about the 1943 & VIIC only thing...
Its dissapionting yes, but it doesnt have to make SHV a bad game. It just goes against what we have come to expect from the franchise.

Think of SHV as the U-boat version of 'B-17 the might 8th'.
Plus most of us here played SH3 in the 'happy times' with a bloody type 7 for the most part anyway.
And the realism nuts amongst us would surely either use SH3 commander for historical career length - or get sunk long before 1944

LOL well, Im trying....

[JScones]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Think of SHV as the U-boat version of 'B-17 the might 8th'.
...
LOL well, Im trying....

You may wanna try again - in B-17 The Mighty 8th you could also fly the P-38, P-51, P-47, Bf-109, FW-190 or Me 262.

I understand your point though - I'm sure we've all bought study sims. Now, whilst it will be a change going from a survey sim like SH3 to study sim, if the devs pull it off and provide a study sim at the level of other study sims out there (in accuracy etc), then IMHO complaints about missing types will die away pretty quickly. If they don't, then...

[Lanzfeld]

JScones,

You KNOW that this will not be a study sim. You know it in your heart.

[JScones]

I know it in my head too.

But who knows, SH5 may totally redefine the study sim and expand it to include "simulated modelled interiors but incorrect exteriors, controls, systems...".