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[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

That's amazing, did we even see the same movie? How can you describe the beach landing scene, or indeed any of the movies battle scenes, as a "cake walk"? In nearly every they lost people, and not in heroic ways either but bloody and horrific ways.

okay, here we go; game on: Ryan vs BoB


beach part 2


Spielberg hollywood part: (look at all those tigers) all of these parts remind me more of a video game.





BoB:
(the luger part really happened: you stoopid mick)




Why I like BoB more and it wins hands down:

[August]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

okay, here we go; game on: Ryan vs BoB

Game over before it even started. As a former Paratrooper I am biased to BoB over those leg Rangers in SPR.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

Game over before it even started. As a former Paratrooper I am biased to BoB over those leg Rangers in SPR.

Jar my memory: 82nd or 101st?

[August]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Jar my memory: 82nd or 101st?

10th SFG(A)

[stabiz]

Somebody here really likes We Were Soldiers?

"I will be ... the first ... man ... on ... the ... ground ... and ... the ... last ... man ... off!"

*cue cringe worthy slow motion when he steps off the helicopter, and later back on*

Also, the scene where he talks to the recruits about the new helicopters, turns around and whooosh! it screams by.

I like war movies but that one was a stinker.

The very final scene of We Were Soldiers is of the Vietnamese general or something who walks through the battle field and says something like "The Americans think they won but they've just prolonged the war" which I thought was a pretty good way to end an otherwise pretty stereotypical war movie.

And from what I've read there was a lot of picking and choosing and artistic licence when it comes to the subject matter of the movie. In reality there was no heroic final charge by the Americans but infact a really deadly ambush that the Vietnamese pulled off.

[August]

Originally Posted by stabiz

Somebody here really likes We Were Soldiers?

"I will be ... the first ... man ... on ... the ... ground ... and ... the ... last ... man ... off!"

*cue cringe worthy slow motion when he steps off the helicopter, and later back on*

Also, the scene where he talks to the recruits about the new helicopters, turns around and whooosh! it screams by.

I like war movies but that one was a stinker.

Are you claiming that those two incidents never occurred?

Originally Posted by August

I never claimed that. I disagreed with the idea that the battle scenes were depicted as "heroic cake walks". Do try to keep up.

So you like propaganda movies?

[stabiz]

Yes, I claim that the commander did not step off and on the helicopter in slow motion to pompous music. I also find it hard to believe they timed that flyby in real life.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Oh yea the effing flag waving. And again in the end. And there's August claiming there's no propaganda in the movie.

Right. Why would there be an American flag flying over a cemetery maintained by the American Battle Monuments Commission containing almost entirely American servicemen? At the beginning and end of a war movie following American soldiers, showing them being killed and horribly maimed. Really, it makes MUCH more sense to show, say, the flag of Bhutan.

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Right. Why would there be an American flag flying over a cemetery maintained by the American Battle Monuments Commission containing almost entirely American servicemen? At the beginning and end of a war movie following American soldiers, showing them being killed and horribly maimed. Really, it makes MUCH more sense to show, say, the flag of Bhutan.

Of course it's ok to have a US flag at the beginning of SPR. And it was equally ok for the Germans to make movies about Jewish people before and during WW 2. They made perfect sense also.

[Skybird]

Most popular war movies I do not like. Those that I liked, are:

A thin red Line (strange that nobody mentioned it so far)
Das Boot
Die Brücke
Band of Brothers (much better than Private Ryan)
Apocalypse Now

Two popular but very overestimated movies, imo, are Kubrick'S Full Metal Jacket (although I like three of his movies very much, this is none of them), and Platoon.

Many war movies suffer from one of two things, or both: they are entertaining for the sake of being entertaining, and/or they are ridiculously pathetic.

Both makes mockery of the dead.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

Are you claiming that those two incidents never occurred?

Hal Moore stuff:
http://www.lzxray.com/

The book:
http://www.amazon.com/Were-Soldiers-.../dp/0060975768

When we step on the battlefield, I will be
The First Boots On and the Last Boots Off.
- LtG. Hal Moore

This isn't just about military combat, although hands-on leadership is key to victory in war.

This isn't just about leadership, although leading by example creates a degree of loyalty and overall success that cannot be achieved through issuing orders from a lofty office.

For each of us, life is the battlefield. The key to success, and to happiness, is being fully engaged in life - leading yourself with inspiration and committed action - setting your own fine and honorable example.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Hmmm...I'm looking forward to the Pacific version of BoB. I thought it had already aired in Australia? That would mean it would be available on the interwebs via...alternative means.

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Most popular war movies I do not like. Those that I liked, are:

A thin red Line (strange that nobody mentioned it so far)
Das Boot
Die Brücke
Band of Brothers (much better than Private Ryan)
Apocalypse Now

Two popular but very overestimated movies, imo, are Kubrick'S Full Metal Jacket (although I like three of his movies very much, this is none of them), and Platoon.

Many war movies suffer from one of two things, or both: they are entertaining for the sake of being entertaining, and/or they are ridiculously pathetic.

Both makes mockery of the dead.

Good choices. One war movie that had the greatest impact on me was Schindler's List. I've seen so much battle footage, both real and Hollywood style, that's not interesting. I really enjoy the ones that tell us about the people and what they went through, like SL, BoB, and Das Boot.

Looking forward to Pacific. I just hope it's done with the same quality as Brothers. My father served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. All of his WWII time was in the Pacific so I'm really looking forward to this one.