What can we really expect from SHV?

Steeltrap · 01-08-10, 12:23 AM

My view is MOST of what's needed in an Atlantic WWII subsim was present in the modded SHIII (NYGM or GWX).

Realism, realism, realism....with SOME compromises for gameplay/resource constraints.

Let's face it:

- assigned orders to patrol zones
- dynamic contact reports
- potential for wolfpack actions
- correct sensor performances based on technical specs, experience and weather.
- crew rosters/assignments
- weather
- observations leading to plotting leading to firing solution.
- weapons (performance, especially for guns)
- damage modelling

Get those 'realistic', by which I mean a reasonable representation based on the abundant real-life records, and you're a LONG way to making a great sim.

THEN make it look nice.

IF SH5 is SHIII in SH4+ engine without addressing all those points then

.

Some simple tests I want to see are:

- surface attacks at night
- detection/evasion, surfaced and submerged
- selectable 'contact frequency' (i.e. yippee shoot, moderate, realistic)

Get those right and I'm pretty sold. Another way of looking at it is asking "what did NYGM/GWX attempt to 'fix'?" and then SH5 should have those 'fixed' at time of release.

Cheers

(p.s. I posted this in another thread and was feeling lazy so i just cc + pasted)

JScones · 01-08-10, 10:34 AM

I want to know when Neal will be sent a beta copy of SH5 to preview? I remember Neal was sent a beta copy of both SH2 and SH3 well before release, which he independently previewed, but it didn't happen with SH4 (all Neal got was a controlled demo of what Ubisoft wanted him to see)...and we all know the state SH4 was in upon release...which is why I ask my question, considering it's now a mere 8 weeks or so until release (and we should be well past beta stage now).

TDK1044 · 01-08-10, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JScones

I want to know when Neal will be sent a beta copy of SH5 to preview? I remember Neal was sent a beta copy of both SH2 and SH3 well before release, which he independently previewed, but it didn't happen with SH4 (all Neal got was a controlled demo of what Ubisoft wanted him to see)...and we all know the state SH4 was in upon release...which is why I ask my question, considering it's now a mere 8 weeks until release (and we should be well past beta stage now).

DEV Q&A

Q: Will Neal Stevens at subsim get access to a Beta version of the game for review?

A: Giving someone who could potentially increase sales of the product a Beta copy of the game for review is an interesting idea. For that reason, we won't do it.

JScones · 01-08-10, 10:46 AM

So true, oh so true...

mookiemookie · 01-08-10, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDK1044

DEV Q&A

Q: Will Neal Stevens at subsim get access to a Beta version of the game for review?

A: We maybe might possibly consider this as a topic of future discussions at a later future date.

THE_MASK · 01-08-10, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

A: We maybe might possibly consider this as a topic of future discussions at a later future date.

We are working on this right now; we thought about it and discussed it since the game was started. but you get what you get .

Jimbuna · 01-09-10, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tdk1044

dev q&a

q: Will neal stevens at subsim get access to a beta version of the game for review?

A: Giving someone who could potentially increase sales of the product a beta copy of the game for review is an interesting idea. For that reason, we won't do it.

classic!! :dl

Onkel Neal · 01-11-10, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

I want to know when Neal will be sent a beta copy of SH5 to preview? I remember Neal was sent a beta copy of both SH2 and SH3 well before release, which he independently previewed, but it didn't happen with SH4 (all Neal got was a controlled demo of what Ubisoft wanted him to see)...and we all know the state SH4 was in upon release...which is why I ask my question, considering it's now a mere 8 weeks or so until release (and we should be well past beta stage now).

I would like to know that myself

JScones · 01-13-10, 04:28 AM

T'is a shame that they extend the "blackout" to you too, Neal, a person I suspect holds great influence over not just the members here, but anyone who would find your independent preview, based on actually playing the game, on-line. I remember well yours and Drebbel's updates prior to SH3 release...and you'll notice I wasn't a member here then.

Oh well, hope things change.

Jimbuna · 01-14-10, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JScones

T'is a shame that they extend the "blackout" to you too, Neal, a person I suspect holds great influence over not just the members here, but anyone who would find your independent preview, based on actually playing the game, on-line. I remember well yours and Drebbel's updates prior to SH3 release...and you'll notice I wasn't a member here then.

Oh well, hope things change.

Agreed....blasphemy, stone those Ubi heretics in suits

01-14-10, 12:57 PM

Oh no, i've accidently created a religion...for buddah's sake yer all individuals, yer all different!

JScones · 01-15-10, 12:54 AM

Yes, we are all different, just like everybody else.

sharkbit · 01-08-10, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Steeltrap

IF SH5 is SHIII in SH4+ engine without addressing all those points then

.

That pretty sums it up for me.

Adriatico · 01-09-10, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharkbit

That pretty sums it up for me.

Deep Dive · 01-11-10, 03:59 PM

I found in a monthly magazine an interview of Dan Dimitrescu about SH5

What i find very interesting is his answer about the new dynamic campaign

"A typical SH5 patrol may start with the player sent to inert an axis agent on the coast of North Africa.Succeeding in this task will increase the level of intelligence you get from the area, and this in turn makes it easier to intercept their shipping.A week later, you might get an update about a supply convoy leaving for Malta.If you choose to go ahead and intercept them, and sink the tankers in convoys such as this, you might bring the island fortress to its knees.Like in real history, this doesn't mean they'll surrender straight away, but the bombers based there will lose some of their effectiveness, and the allies will launch Operation Pedestal." Dan Dimitrescu

WOW

01-08-10, 12:23 AM	#1
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	My view is MOST of what's needed in an Atlantic WWII subsim was present in the modded SHIII (NYGM or GWX). Realism, realism, realism....with SOME compromises for gameplay/resource constraints. Let's face it: - assigned orders to patrol zones - dynamic contact reports - potential for wolfpack actions - correct sensor performances based on technical specs, experience and weather. - crew rosters/assignments - weather - observations leading to plotting leading to firing solution. - weapons (performance, especially for guns) - damage modelling Get those 'realistic', by which I mean a reasonable representation based on the abundant real-life records, and you're a LONG way to making a great sim. THEN make it look nice. IF SH5 is SHIII in SH4+ engine without addressing all those points then . Some simple tests I want to see are: - surface attacks at night - detection/evasion, surfaced and submerged - selectable 'contact frequency' (i.e. yippee shoot, moderate, realistic) Get those right and I'm pretty sold. Another way of looking at it is asking "what did NYGM/GWX attempt to 'fix'?" and then SH5 should have those 'fixed' at time of release. Cheers (p.s. I posted this in another thread and was feeling lazy so i just cc + pasted)

01-08-10, 10:34 AM	#2
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I want to know when Neal will be sent a beta copy of SH5 to preview? I remember Neal was sent a beta copy of both SH2 and SH3 well before release, which he independently previewed, but it didn't happen with SH4 (all Neal got was a controlled demo of what Ubisoft wanted him to see)...and we all know the state SH4 was in upon release...which is why I ask my question, considering it's now a mere 8 weeks or so until release (and we should be well past beta stage now).

01-08-10, 10:46 AM	#4
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	So true, oh so true...

01-13-10, 04:28 AM	#9
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	T'is a shame that they extend the "blackout" to you too, Neal, a person I suspect holds great influence over not just the members here, but anyone who would find your independent preview, based on actually playing the game, on-line. I remember well yours and Drebbel's updates prior to SH3 release...and you'll notice I wasn't a member here then. Oh well, hope things change.

01-14-10, 12:57 PM	#11
Uber Gruber Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Oh no, i've accidently created a religion...for buddah's sake yer all individuals, yer all different!

01-15-10, 12:54 AM	#12
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Yes, we are all different, just like everybody else.

01-11-10, 03:59 PM	#15
Deep Dive Watch Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Athens,Greece Posts: 22 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	I found in a monthly magazine an interview of Dan Dimitrescu about SH5 What i find very interesting is his answer about the new dynamic campaign "A typical SH5 patrol may start with the player sent to inert an axis agent on the coast of North Africa.Succeeding in this task will increase the level of intelligence you get from the area, and this in turn makes it easier to intercept their shipping.A week later, you might get an update about a supply convoy leaving for Malta.If you choose to go ahead and intercept them, and sink the tankers in convoys such as this, you might bring the island fortress to its knees.Like in real history, this doesn't mean they'll surrender straight away, but the bombers based there will lose some of their effectiveness, and the allies will launch Operation Pedestal." Dan Dimitrescu WOW