Should U-Boat Training/Exams Be made Compulsory

Originally Posted by 4Para

no sides or mixing the pot if you please gents, can we be nice now , please, thankyou.

thank you

if anyone wishes to continue insulting people they will find i am no longer in the christmas spirit

you got something to say, do it in PM's

lets respect 4paras thread and lets discuss the topics he raised

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Padvotke

This is a fact IMHO

Just thought this funny...

but how can something be a "fact in my opinion"???


thats like saying "this is for real! for pretend!"

or

"I made all A's on my report card... except for 2 Bs and C"

just thought it was funny is all.

Originally Posted by 4Para

no sides or mixing the pot if you please gents, can we be nice now , please, thankyou.

Agreed.

its amazing how fast these snow balls roll down hill isnt it>?

[Boris]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

but how can something be a "fact in my opinion"???

Looks like we've bumped into a very interesting philosophical question here...

Since the only way reality can be interpreted is through the senses of each human individual, each individual has his or her own subjective interpretation of reality. If something seems to be fact to you, as 100% solid as it may seem, it can never be true fact by the limitation our condition.
Many people once thought the earth was flat... a fact in their eyes. On the general topics thread you will also see that some take creationism to be fact, while others prefer evolution.

"There are no facts, only interpretations."
*Friedrich Nietzsche

[Sailor Steve]

I'm currently reading a primer on philosophy, and one of the chapters deals with the problem of words meaning different things to different discussions. You're right about different perceptions, but some facts are seemingly irrefutable. If we agree on the names we assign to numerical values, then it is a fact that two plus two will always equal four. This can be demonstrated by anyone over any number of repeated experiments, so it must be accepted as a fact.

Fact equaling opinion, in the case at hand, is an interesting point, and you're right - in philosophy everything seems to be subject to opinion. And I fell for your subtle trap, master.

But to the point at hand. 4Para did raise a couple of interesting points.

Originally Posted by 4Para

Where is all the posts from the yes agree ?

The voting is still running fairly close to even, and no one is pitching in on why they voted 'Yes'. While I'm obviously solidly in the 'No' camp, I'd love to hear why other people would want this.

i would still not like a newbie joining my flotilla the easy way.

On the one hand, we don't have 'our' flotillas. It's still just a game, and the bottom line for me is...well, we've already heard that one.

But what about online campaigns, the best-known example being Wolves At War? I don't know how stringent their tests are (probably not too hard considering the number of players they have, and considering the number they might lose if they make it too difficult), but I think they have some. In this case it's like a club (or like real service) - they have the right to establish any rules and restrictions they want, and if you want to play with them you have to do it their way. And that's fair. The only reason I've never joined is that I've never had the ability to play consistently enough to make it worthwhile.

[karamazovnew]

I thought that this was settled in the first 2 pages that the best system is the one in SH3, optional training with a bonus for completion and a reminder when you start your first career. Why go beyond that? It's a SIM! I don't remember starting Flight Simulator and being told "To access the new amazing 747 you must first pass the training exam".

P.S: I can land a 747 backwards but I've never passed the bloody exam.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

P.S: I can land a 747 backwards

He's not kidding folks.

You can land any airplane backwards in Microsoft Flight Simulator.

and given the right conditions (which are all but impossible)... you can do it in real life as well

[karamazovnew]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

He's not kidding folks.

You can land any airplane backwards in Microsoft Flight Simulator.

and given the right conditions (which are all but impossible)... you can do it in real life as well

Good one. I guess an easier way would be to open up GMax and turn the 3d model around

[don1reed]

I just bought a new car...paid cash, and nope, it didn't come with training missions. It has alot more bells and whistles than my first ride had (1940 Ford tudor convertible) back in 1958; but, a computer game, sure, make it optional.

[longam]

I voted no for the exact reason many have posted in here, I paid for it.

Level up doesn't appeal to me so console games are low on my radar.

[Lord Justice]

Sir Longam, You paid for it? When i was doing my basic training in the army, some of us recruits at the time, paid for some extras toward our kit. did that mean i could exempt my 21 week selection and training and go straight into my airbourne unit? in hindsight of course, perhaps when i purchase my game if through a local store i will ask the little guy behind the counter if i can have a free sony playstation! One does state the obvious, sir may i remind you we all paying for it, use the force, its all about the force, my friend. thankyou .

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by 4Para

Sir Longam, You paid for it? When i was doing my basic training in the army, some of us recruits at the time, paid for some extras toward our kit. did that mean i could exempt my 21 week selection and training and go straight into my airbourne unit? in hindsight of course, perhaps when i purchase my game if through a local store i will ask the little guy behind the counter if i can have a free sony playstation! One does state the obvious, sir may i remind you we all paying for it, use the force, its all about the force, my friend. thankyou .

SH5 is a game, that I paid for. It is not volunteering for the Kriegsmarine, circa 1939. If I paid for it, I should be able to play it however I want, regardless of what someone's idea of realism is.

Would you force someone to play in 1x time compression also because you couldn't do anything but that when you volunteered for the army?

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

SH5 is a game, that I paid for. It is not volunteering for the Kriegsmarine, circa 1939. If I paid for it, I should be able to play it however I want, regardless of what someone's idea of realism is.

Would you force someone to play in 1x time compression also because you couldn't do anything but that when you volunteered for the army?

Sir Mookie, cute, i think you crossed the line here my friend, why such absurd comment? and i never said how you can play it? Iam somewhat confused to your strong views? have i said something or am i missing something here? please sir indulge me,( Read Post 84 please ) in second thoughts please dont indulge me, post 84 says it all, perhaps one missed that, watch your accusations! thankyou.

[Reece]

Mookie is correct though!

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by Reece

Mookie is correct though!

lol, is he? indeed. I think you are mistaken sir, read your companions statement, thankyou.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by 4Para

Sir Mookie, cute, i think you crossed the line here my friend, why such absurd comment?

I'm curious again. Exactly what line has he crossed? Be specific, please.

and i never said how you can play it?

The title of the thread is Should U-Boat Training/Exams Be made Compulsory, and you've consistently endorsed that point of view, which is fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. That said, insisting on compulsory exams before one can start to play a game is indeed telling them how to play it (or in this case, how not to). In your most recent post you compared purchasing the game to buying some of your own equipment, and that is what Mookie responded to. Buying equipment for a real life job or commission is not comparable to buying what is essentially a hobby for your own enjoyment.

When we say we want more realism in a game, what we are truly asking for is something that feels more real. I've said repeatedly over the years that I'm glad that manual targetting is becoming more real, but I'm glad it's an option because I'm terrible at it. Options are good.