The Livni fiasco and the hypocrisy of UN edicts

The UN Human Rights Council: What a joke. Check out the members.

[Skybird]

I know what you mean. I agree.

Even as a forum the UN is a failure.

Anything at COP15 should have been an ongoing discussion at the UN, without the need of any other special meeting, and without any time limits.

I strongly distrust the UN.

Creeping Antisemitism ?
Is that like your islamaphobia Skybird?

Though its strange that you chose an article about a report complied by a Jewish judge to be somehow indicative of antisemitism.

In Finland an association, Free thinkers, put adds on the sides of buses saying "God probably doesn't exist". Only ones publicly objecting were the muslims.

Thats wierd as the christians over in Britain have been going crazy about those ads for ages.
Whats even wierder is the amount of grief the Freethinker has gotten in Finland over the years from Christians and Jews, in fact its been getting grief from all religions for over well 100 years now.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Creeping Antisemitism ?
Is that like your islamaphobia Skybird?

Though its strange that you chose an article about a report complied by a Jewish judge to be somehow indicative of antisemitism.


Thats wierd as the christians over in Britain have been going crazy about those ads for ages.
Whats even wierder is the amount of grief the Freethinker has gotten in Finland over the years from Christians and Jews, in fact its been getting grief from all religions for over well 100 years now.

Lol, majority of Finns are first of all Finns.. Unlike those bus drivers that teared the adds off and refused to drive them.

Its a very homogeneous country, believers and atheists are about 50/50 but its considerd a private matter. I know many couples that believe differently but are happily married.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

The UN Human Rights Council: What a joke. Check out the members.

Agreed. If only the League of Nations still existed. THEY GOT S*** DONE.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Agreed. If only the League of Nations still existed. THEY GOT S*** DONE.

Like what?

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Like what?

Well asides from their anti-human trafficking work and forced slavery investigations in Africa which abolished the practice entirely in Liberia, Morocco, and Egypt, between 1920 and mid-1925 and their human rights activities which set a basis for organizations the world over today (including the League's descendant, the UN), they solved a border dispute that very well likely would have turned into a war between the Finns and the Swedes, they saved Austria from a total economic collapse in the aftermath of the Great War, they prevented the outbreak of what would have been the Third Balkan War (the previous two had produced some 850,000 casualties alone), they solved the Saar Region Crisis between Germany and France- thus preventing a further confrontation between the two. Furthermore, they solved other territorial disputes in Albania, Mosul, Columbia, Peru, put down a revolt in Memel, resolved the war between the Greeks and Bulgarians in October 1925 and the Polish occupation of the border towns and cities belonging to Lithuania. All this in 10 years. Quite impressive when you consider that the system they had was extremely experimental and ultimately failed as a result of power problems and disputes between the membering nations 26 years after it had been created. If the United States had joined, it's very likely that the organization could have survived in the end. Granted some changes would have been necessary to make things more productive, but given that the United States was the richest country in the world at the time (not to mention one of the most resourceful), it's not hard to ponder what could and would have realistically been done.

Lol, majority of Finns are first of all Finns.. Unlike those bus drivers that teared the adds off and refused to drive them.

An interesting viewpoint. So someone like Timo Junkkaala wouldn't be a real Finn then, neither would Tapani Makinen.
Though it does raise the question.
When you wrote .......

Only ones publicly objecting were the muslims.

.....
were you lying, telling lies, making up things or just writing things that were untrue?
Unless of course you consider the Pentecostals and Orthodox to be somehow Muslim, maybe the Lutherans in Turku and Tampere where the ads were being placed were really Muslims too, as were the Lutherans in Helsinki who joined the objections and of course the famously devout Muslim Finnish Bible Institute.
Good luck trying to explain why you felt the need to lie.

I suppose there is an important lesson there Happy Times.
If you have to make up bull**** to demonstrate your point then you don't have a valid point.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

An interesting viewpoint. So someone like Timo Junkkaala wouldn't be a real Finn then, neither would Tapani Makinen.
Though it does raise the question.
When you wrote ............
were you lying, telling lies, making up things or just writing things that were untrue?
Unless of course you consider the Pentecostals and Orthodox to be somehow Muslim, maybe the Lutherans in Turku and Tampere where the ads were being placed were really Muslims too, as were the Lutherans in Helsinki who joined the objections and of course the famously devout Muslim Finnish Bible Institute.
Good luck trying to explain why you felt the need to lie.

I suppose there is an important lesson there Happy Times.
If you have to make up bull**** to demonstrate your point then you don't have a valid point.

You really have become a sad character in my books.

Accusing me of lying is something i would expect from you.
When this forum has a lot of Finns it would be bordering crazy to post anything intentionally false information.

Neither of those names said nothing to me before i googled them..
Fact of the matter is that the protesting muslim bus drivers was the story on the media here.
And the Finnish media is by no means "Islamophopic" as you like to say, on the contrary in many cases.

Here is an interwiew of Jussi K. Niemelä, chairman of the freethinkers, concerning the campagn and the file, to the council of ethics in advertising, made against it.
http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/kotimaa.s...2009/06/907225

Excerpts.

"Vapaa-ajattelijoiden ja Humanistiliiton mainoskampanjasta syntynyt kohu ei ole Niemelää yllättänyt. Sen sijaan muslimiyhteisön voimakas reagointi tuli yllätyksenä."

"The row about the campaign byt the freethinkers and humanis league didnt suprise Niemelä. But the strong responce from the muslim community came as an suprise"

"- Missään muussa maassa, missä kampanja on järjestetty, eivät muslimit ole reagoineet näin. Tämä on jotenkin ilmeisesti masinoitu tai sitten vain jostain syystä muslimit reagoivat voimakkaasti täällä Suomessa. Tiedän, että Englannissa yksi bussikuski kieltäytyi ajamasta sikäläisen kampanjan tarralla varustettua bussia. Siitä nousi tuolloin kohu. Tämä kyseinen kuski oli käsittääkseni kristitty, Niemelä sanoo."

"-In no other country where this campaign has been held have the muslims reacted this way. This has either been organized or for some other reason the muslims react this strong here in Finland.
I know that in England one busdriver refused to drive a bus that had the local campaigns sticker. It caused a row. I understant that the particular driver was an cristian, Niemelä says."

"Toinen yllätys kohumainoksen tiimoilta on Niemelälle ollut kirkon yllättävän positiivinen suhtautuminen kampanjaan.

- Tämä saattaa kertoa siitä, että kirkko osaa pelata mediapeliä. Sen sijaan muslimiyhteisöllä on siinä vielä opeteltavaa, puheenjohtaja aprikoi"

"Another suprise concerning the campaing to Nimelä has been the suprisingly positive reaction from the church.

-This might indicate that the church handles the media game. Instead the muslim community has learning to do concerning that, the chairman thinks."

So Tribesman,here is a lesson for you, but as allways, you probably wont take it.

HT,

I don't think people like pentecostals, laestadians or even garden variety evangelical lutherans of the more conservative sort actually approve of those ads. But since you only try to single out muslims for racist purposes you'll ignore this and everything that is negative about the aforementioned groups completely.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

HT,

I don't think people like pentecostals, laestadians or even garden variety evangelical lutherans of the more conservative sort actually approve of those ads. But since you only try to single out muslims for racist purposes you'll ignore this and everything that is negative about the aforementioned groups completely.

Did they threatn with an strike?
Did they tear posters?
No, who did?
Oh yeah, the muslims.

Islam isnt a race.

Im my books its an political ideology, right there with communism, nazism, anachism etc..