Hacked Emails Show Climate Science Ridden with Rancor

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

I know this is going to irritate GW supporters - but lets be real.

Yes, I will be the first to admit that "fact" that over the last 600 years there has been what appears to be a "global average" increase of temperature. However, this "fact" is based off of things like Ice Core and "third party" indicators (called proxies) - such as tree rings. Now if I am going to stipulate that - whats the problem? Global Warming must be true, right? Well not exactly.

There is a wonderful piece of wisdom that bears directly to this....

"Figures don't lie, but liars sure can figure!"

The data used to create this fact is accurate - but those presenting the arguement do so in a way to make the figures match their intended goal. Why use the figure of 600 years? Global Warming advocates in the science realm are using one of the oldest tricks in the books to push this. How you ask? Simple - instead of going back 600 years - use those same methods of gathering data to go back 200 years more - for a total of 800 years. What then? Wonder of wonders, we find that the earth was warmer 800 years ago than it is today. This is what is known as the "Medieval Warm Period" in environmental studies, and is a big problem for GW advocates.

Selective use of the start date on any set of data is one of the oldest tricks to used to get the outcome you want. Is the earth warming? Sure it is. But its doing so well within what we can already tell are its normal margins and tolerances. This "our impact is the straw that MIGHT break the camels back" is fearmongering - and is being used to create onerous, intrusive and destructive regulations and laws upon nations because others don't approve of what we do.

There are so many proofs AGAINST global warming being a man made phenomenon, its unreal. However, as a scientist, many cannot put forth that proof in "respectable" journals for the reasons we see in these emails - to go against the "consensus" - regardless of fact, is to be outcast. What is sad is that many people are defending these actions, as well as ignoring the reality that the evidence shows, because once again, it conflicts with their attempts to control others.

you accuse others of abusing correct data by presenting them in a manipulative manner so that it fits their agenda, but you just do right that yourself, Haplo.

the one thing you miust explain is this: why is it that the climate change speed has so insanly accelerated that now it is the - by far - fastest climate change taking place that science knows for planet earth since many huindred million years? Never, never has the climate chnaged and warmed upo so damn fast. And you need to think in geological dimensions. a tenth centigrade in a couple of years or so, that may not sound much. But for geological thinking, it is a rollercoaster falling in the vertical and having lost touch with the track. This acceleration in climate actiivty is the thing you must explain, not pointing to that cklimate is chnbaging - that is just natural. the speed at which it does is what is the message. And next you must explain why it does so obviously coincides with the beginning of the industrial age and the beginning of a real dramatic population growth globally.

I remember to have read estimations of the climate change accelrating ba several hundred factors, the fastest calculation I heared about was a factor of I think some thousand.

At the same time this planet sees another speed record: that for the fastet mass exticntion of species ever. Never before Earth has carried such a diversity in different species. and never before have species died in such a rapid succession like they do since the mpdern past, I don't know, let'S say 150 years or so. again the factor by which it accelerated, ranks in the 3-4 digit range.

for both these accelerations, no scientific discipline knows a precedent or comparable parallel caused by natural climate fluctuations.