Governor elections and other issues.

[Zachstar]

People are not suddenly going to forget about Bush. And if your view was true we would have lost those 2 fed races tonight.

And the investment situation is more due to the lack of willingness from bailed out banks to give loans and the fear of bubbles. Unemployment is still due to the shock of the recession

You know what is funny tho? Dems are talking just like you. Trumpting thoughts like double dip recession and the like.. WTF are dems going to gain from an economic collaspse? Do some of these environmentalist dummies relize that in a serious economic collapse environmentalism will be thrown out the window as people burn what they can to keep warm and keep power?

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

People are not suddenly going to forget about Bush. And if your view was true we would have lost those 2 fed races tonight.

People certainly aren't going to forget about the menace currently in the White House now. Bush is gone. Everything going on now is on Obama. This pile of rubble belongs to him and the Democrats in Congress. And with the quadrupling of the deficit and other major problems...they have made things much worse.

And the investment situation is more due to the lack of willingness from bailed out banks to give loans and the fear of bubbles. Unemployment is still due to the shock of the recession

That's certainly a part of it. But people also understand what role government has played into that issue. And it's big. There are people and companies that already have the capital in place but won't expand operations due to the business climate. While there is alot of blame to go around, blame won't fix the economy just so Democrats can be elected next November. Sorry but this growing unemployment problem is simply unacceptable. And businesses are certainly not going to take capital risks with Obama in the White House demonizing businesses, demonizing the capitalist system, proposing tax increases, ending tax incentives for growth, hiring pro-chavez/Mao loving economic czars, and making enemies lists.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

And with the quadrupling of the deficit and other major problems...they have made things much worse.

According to the Congressional Budget Office’s January 2009 estimate for fiscal year 2009, outlays were projected to be $3,543 billion and revenues were projected to be $2,357 billion, leaving a deficit of $1,186 billion. Keep in mind that these estimates were made before Obama took office, based on existing law and policy, and did not take into account any actions that Obama might implement.
Therefore, unless one thinks that McCain would have somehow or other raised taxes and cut spending (with a Democratic Congress), rather than enacting a stimulus of his own, then a deficit of $1.2 trillion was baked in the cake the day Obama took office. Any suggestion that McCain would have brought in a lower deficit is simply fanciful.

[SteamWake]

The republican running for the NY seat was as liberal if not moreso than his opponent.

[Skybird]

A German newspaper yesterday summed up the political reality in the US nicely. It said something like:

Obama came by the promise to reshape America. Now we see America reshaping Obama.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

A German newspaper yesterday summed up the political reality in the US nicely. It said something like:

Obama came by the promise to reshape America. Now we see America reshaping Obama.

Very insightful of this writer.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Very insightful of this writer.

Then... there really is Hope

[GoldenRivet]

the thing to be considered is that most of america is fairly center... not far right not far left... but slightly - ever so slightly left or right of center.

You have a leadership model in America that is siding with issues that the majority (depending on the poll you look at anywhere from 65% to 78%) of American's disagree with or are opposed to.

I have said it before... these guys are committing political career suicide by cramming and forcing the issues down the throats of the average middle of the road American.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

And just what are Democrats doing to fix the budget deficits other than making it much worse. I believe we're looking at an overall deficit increase (projected from new spending and projected healthcare spending) of $11 Trillion. The trends from last night prove that voters aren't going to go for the blame shifting that Democrats are attempting here.

This is Obama's deficits. No way to shake that. Can't shift the blame. The buck stops at the desk of Obama. The more he continues to try and blame others for his failures, the worse it will get for him. Watch and learn.

Anyway mookie, the Democrats have already sold guys like you down the river. You're kind of like an abused wife that's trying to believe it willl get better if you can just hang on.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Anyway mookie, the Democrats have already sold guys like you down the river. You're kind of like an abused wife that's trying to believe it willl get better if you can just hang on.

Whats your alternative? "Moderate is no longer conservative enough for the GOP. Conservative is moderate. Scrawl-with-your-own-feces crazy is conservative. So, essentially, the only way to be fringe on the right is to want to blow stuff up, and even then it depends on what the target is."

[SteamWake]

The problem is that the current administration and its constituants are so far out there to the left in there agenda to 'fundamentally transform america' that by comparison even a middle of the road moderate appears to be a 'bat **** crazy' right winger.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Whats your alternative? "Moderate is no longer conservative enough for the GOP. Conservative is moderate. Scrawl-with-your-own-feces crazy is conservative. So, essentially, the only way to be fringe on the right is to want to blow stuff up, and even then it depends on what the target is."

The alternative is to do things which promote a business environment that creates jobs and stimulates real growth. Not loots the treasury, and threaten the very mechanisms which actually grows our economy. 10% unemployment as "the new norm" is not inspiring as your people have told us. The alternative is to bring people to the table who are realistic on what this government can spend, and what is constitutional for them to do. The alternative is to bring people to the table who don't wish to soak the taxpayer for every little whim of the liberal ideologue. The alternative is to eliminate those who quadruple deficits with close to zero growth. The alternative is to bring people to the table who aren't so indecisive on matters as important as the war. The alternative is to bring people into the fold who's goal is not to turn as many people as they can into government dependants and false self styled "victims" of the "corporation". And I can go on for paragraphs.

Oh, to be sure, there is plenty of alternatives to the big government statism that Democrats gave us last election. The people of this country are resisting it big time. Many alternatives would be better than this current mess that's just getting worse by the day.

[AVGWarhawk]

An ultimatum to Washington was demonstrated yesterday.

[Zachstar]

Several who decided to show up on the news networks to talk about how this is a refrendum or warning to the president and a win to the tea party folks were utterly defeated on air after results came in on the 2 fed elections.

Note for next time... Wait until it is all over before you make such silly generalization we dems can just as easily say that our two fed wins tonight are a note of victory to the white house.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Note for next time... Wait until it is all over before you make such silly generalization we dems can just as easily say that our two fed wins tonight are a note of victory to the white house.

Yeah, except there are trends leading away from this. Especially the indeciseveness on the war, and the souring economy and unemployment. Tonight was huge for the GOP. The fact that Hoffman was within 3 points with Republicans still giving Scozzafave 5 points has to tell you something. Especially as Hoffman wasn't a GOP candidate. And Owens certainly won't vote like a liberal in that district. At any rate, I believe Owens won't last long in that seat.