Governor elections and other issues.

[Zachstar]

Several who decided to show up on the news networks to talk about how this is a refrendum or warning to the president and a win to the tea party folks were utterly defeated on air after results came in on the 2 fed elections.

Note for next time... Wait until it is all over before you make such silly generalization we dems can just as easily say that our two fed wins tonight are a note of victory to the white house.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Note for next time... Wait until it is all over before you make such silly generalization we dems can just as easily say that our two fed wins tonight are a note of victory to the white house.

Yeah, except there are trends leading away from this. Especially the indeciseveness on the war, and the souring economy and unemployment. Tonight was huge for the GOP. The fact that Hoffman was within 3 points with Republicans still giving Scozzafave 5 points has to tell you something. Especially as Hoffman wasn't a GOP candidate. And Owens certainly won't vote like a liberal in that district. At any rate, I believe Owens won't last long in that seat.

[Zachstar]

Except for the string of dem wins in Pa in other areas.

Seriously just move on to 2010 as tonight changes nothing the 2 govs will not vote on healthcare. The war is up to Obama. etc.. etc..

Now I will say this. If we look at this as an assumed victory in 2010 dems will get pummeled. They've got to get healthcare to a vote soon and get some of this backlog though and do something besides parties and patting on the back.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Except for the string of dem wins in Pa in other areas.

Seriously just move on to 2010 as tonight changes nothing the 2 govs will not vote on healthcare. The war is up to Obama. etc.. etc..

Now I will say this. If we look at this as an assumed victory in 2010 dems will get pummeled. They've got to get healthcare to a vote soon and get some of this backlog though and do something besides parties and patting on the back.

Healthcare is already going to the back burner. It's nowhere near going for a vote. Dude, with the war continuing, Gitmo still in operation, and the public option in healthcare going down the tubes (and Democrats themselves are destroying it), the Democrats have abandoned you.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/screen?id=8987651&pid=4380645

These people in the Democrat party can read the tea leaves. Tonight shows a shift of independants to the GOP in these major races. And a trend for more shifts in the future if the economy doesn't turn around with a significant shift in jobs. False artificially generated consumer demand (like in clunkers) don't seem to be a good answer. Democrats will actually have to grow jobs the old fashioned way. And I'm not sure they can or will do that. Liberals won't allow for it. Remember the old liberal axiom of the "tyranny of the corporation"? "Obscene profits"? "corporate crooks"? etc?

moving beyond the letter beside the name, and looking at the ISSUES.

Maybe that explains Hoffmans loss.
After all he didn't really have a big letter beside the name and did display an incredible amount of ignorance on many issues he was questioned about.
Actually when it came to ignorance he really is a match for Palin, no wonder she supported him.

[CaptainHaplo]

Oh - we didn't loose all 4 of the "major" fights - so we actually won. When the last election was a sweep for D's - and now people pay attention and its a split - as well as Maine DEFEATING gay marriage (its now lost in 31 of 31 states!), you can spin it all you want. The reality is, people are paying attention.

As for "weak candidates" Corzine was governor for two terms in NJ - he was well known, and got booted because he made 2 mistakes - he didn't solve the problems facing his state, and when called on the carpet for it, he blamed Bush. So the guy who got elected twice was somehow a "weak" candidate.

Oh - in NY - a democrat and republican join forces - the republican drops out at the last minute - and the democrat has a close race with a non D/R candidate. This shows its not about the letter anymore - and regardless of your stance, you have to like that, unless you want government to have a free hand without answering to the people.

[AngusJS]

So the Republicans lost northern New York, one of the reddest areas in the Northeast, that has basically been Republican since 1871, yet this counts as a win because they won two governor's seats?

Governors don't make national policy. Congressmen do. Next you'll be going down to the county level to try and conjure up a Republican victory.

The Democrats could lose in 2010, but this election gives no reason to think so.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

And with the quadrupling of the deficit and other major problems...they have made things much worse.

According to the Congressional Budget Office’s January 2009 estimate for fiscal year 2009, outlays were projected to be $3,543 billion and revenues were projected to be $2,357 billion, leaving a deficit of $1,186 billion. Keep in mind that these estimates were made before Obama took office, based on existing law and policy, and did not take into account any actions that Obama might implement.
Therefore, unless one thinks that McCain would have somehow or other raised taxes and cut spending (with a Democratic Congress), rather than enacting a stimulus of his own, then a deficit of $1.2 trillion was baked in the cake the day Obama took office. Any suggestion that McCain would have brought in a lower deficit is simply fanciful.

[SteamWake]

The republican running for the NY seat was as liberal if not moreso than his opponent.

[Skybird]

A German newspaper yesterday summed up the political reality in the US nicely. It said something like:

Obama came by the promise to reshape America. Now we see America reshaping Obama.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

A German newspaper yesterday summed up the political reality in the US nicely. It said something like:

Obama came by the promise to reshape America. Now we see America reshaping Obama.

Very insightful of this writer.

[GoldenRivet]

the thing to be considered is that most of america is fairly center... not far right not far left... but slightly - ever so slightly left or right of center.

You have a leadership model in America that is siding with issues that the majority (depending on the poll you look at anywhere from 65% to 78%) of American's disagree with or are opposed to.

I have said it before... these guys are committing political career suicide by cramming and forcing the issues down the throats of the average middle of the road American.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

And just what are Democrats doing to fix the budget deficits other than making it much worse. I believe we're looking at an overall deficit increase (projected from new spending and projected healthcare spending) of $11 Trillion. The trends from last night prove that voters aren't going to go for the blame shifting that Democrats are attempting here.

This is Obama's deficits. No way to shake that. Can't shift the blame. The buck stops at the desk of Obama. The more he continues to try and blame others for his failures, the worse it will get for him. Watch and learn.

Anyway mookie, the Democrats have already sold guys like you down the river. You're kind of like an abused wife that's trying to believe it willl get better if you can just hang on.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Anyway mookie, the Democrats have already sold guys like you down the river. You're kind of like an abused wife that's trying to believe it willl get better if you can just hang on.

Whats your alternative? "Moderate is no longer conservative enough for the GOP. Conservative is moderate. Scrawl-with-your-own-feces crazy is conservative. So, essentially, the only way to be fringe on the right is to want to blow stuff up, and even then it depends on what the target is."

[SteamWake]

The problem is that the current administration and its constituants are so far out there to the left in there agenda to 'fundamentally transform america' that by comparison even a middle of the road moderate appears to be a 'bat **** crazy' right winger.