'This can't be happening in our country.'

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

thus we need to find an agreement on the grey zone where that cellular mass that has nothing, really nothing in common with a human being

I agree. Although I would contend about 80% of the world's population is not much more than cellular masses...

And not before then - you can eventually talk of "human life in production". Before that, it is just some cellular grease with genetic information to eventually become a human - but who would think of the genetic information in the hairs and skin cells he/she is loosing all day long as a "human life prevented from developement"?

Yeah, that's pretty much making my point, human in production, cells that will eventually become human. Same thing. And no, a hair or a fingernail is not the same as a human embryo. Remember, one contains the other. A hair can never become a person, a person (and embryo) has the tools to make hair.

for any further discussion of aboprtion I refer you to this most uncompromised realist I know, Dr. House. Just try to imagine what he would reply to you

Pfft! Dr. House. I'd give him a big ol' ass whippin with that cane of his.

Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

He has done around 400 late term abortions for medical reasons.

If the other 59600 abortions were done for personal reasons (of the parents), I don't think that's anyones business but those of the (would be) parents.
I don't think anyone makes this decision light-hearted, because if it's not for medical reasons, you know your baby would live if you didn't abort.

Ok, that's exactly right. It is a baby you are aborting, in the earliest stages. Thank you! So, that's why women don't generally like to talk aboutn their abortions. As you know, a lot of women face internal shame and grieve after an abortion. The reason?

IMO, the main reason why many people can go along with abortion as contraception, is because it's all done without seeing the fetus. It's done behind a curtain. It's like eating a hamburger, as long as most people don't have to see the cow get it in the neck, they're cool.