Destroyer evasion

Brag · 09-10-09, 06:10 PM

KeptinCranky is right.

If you can lookie lookie, you're not deepie deepie.
Bombie bombie maky you kapootie.

Leandros · 09-12-09, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brag

KeptinCranky is right.

If you can lookie lookie, you're not deepie deepie.
Bombie bombie maky you kapootie.

I am not so sure about this - real-life like. If you are at periscope depth (whether you use it or not) are you not safer than if a little deeper...?.. While the game sets d/c explosion depth real shallow (and often damages the dropper itself) I am not sure if that was done real-life for fear of own damage. The side-throwers would not be a problem (or the hedgehogs) but those dropped from the rear might. I suppose that is why they speed up before dropping. Anybody know the rules for Allied minimum depth setting on the D/C's....?

Lt.Fillipidis · 09-12-09, 09:33 AM

Most of the time, i go flank speed at periscope depth and do a fast turn, the opposite way the DD is comming. That way im crisscrossing the paths and have less chance to be damaged.

KeptinCranky · 09-12-09, 12:42 PM

Hmm, If you're at PD IRL they don't drop, they just Ram, or if you're too deep for that, they will drop a pattern, which will then explode underneath your boat, driving you to the surface, and then ram, if that doesn;t kill you they unload everything that can fire bullets at you, up to and including the captains sidearm.
This will then make your boat resemble a: a sieve (which sinks it) or b: swiss cheese, (may not sink but definitely won't dive safely)

at this point, for you, herr Kaleun, the war is over

In game they will drop DCs which will only be a problem for slower ships like Flower corvettes and armed trawlers. I have seen Flowers blow themselves up during GWX testing, I deliberately provoked them into it.
but not after that, because when I play the game for real I try not to get in such a situation.

cawimmer430 · 09-14-09, 10:09 AM

Reminds me of my last mission in career mode before my HD crash.

After patrolling my assigned grid and sinking two cargo vessels along the way, I headed down to the Gibraltar for a planned harbor attack. Nearing Gibraltar I spotted a lone merchant in calm waters. I dove to periscope depth, did a 360 degree visual sweep at max magnification, went silent and ordered a full hydrophone sweep. It was apparently safe to finish off the merchant with my deck gun. So I surface at full speed and race over to the merchant while my deck crew fires away. The merchant goes down - and suddenly, off in the distance an enemy destroyer is sighted. He's about 4 km away and closing fast. I figured I could stay surfaced for a minute or two max and attack his guns using a zig zag course. But suddenly, coming at me from the same bearing is another destroyer - and another one - and another one. A total of four destroyers all racing to me. I turned around at max speed and immediately dove down. Checking my depth under keel, I was shocked to find that the bottom of the ocean to surface was 50-60 meters in this region. All that was left to do was try to evade at max under water speed and then go silent as soon as the destroyers were about a 1 km near you. Well, these guys caught up fast and began pinging away like crazy. Going silent didn't help at all and even at maximum submerged speed and frantic turning, I was an easy prey for these guys. To make matters worse, a pair of Hurricanes showed up and began dropping bombs. It wasn't long before the four destroyers - soon joined by a 5th ship, a Flower Corvette, began coordinated attacks on me. I suffered extreme damage but thankfully no serious flooding - not yet. My deck gun was kaputt and so was my FLAK gun. Periscopes thankfully were still functional. I had repair crews working overtime to fix what could be fixed, so I wasn't running silent.

At this point, I was pretty much screwed. The depth below me didn't increase. I noticed that these guys were doing circles around me so I quickly went to periscope depth and manually set the torpedoes (front and rear) for a straight 500 m run and fired away my rear and two front torpedoes without a target lock. My rear torpedo impacted on a destroyer and sent him to the bottom but my two front torpedoes barely missed another destroyer. It was time to go down again, reload and attack again.

If I was going to die here, I was going to die giving these bastards a fight. I've already sunk merchant in front of their eyes and had just sent a destroyer to the bottom. Sadly, I didn't get a second chance. Two destroyers behind me began running attacks at high speeds and dropped a ton of depth charges on me. Amazingly, I wasn't destroyed but most of my compartments had serious flooding at this point. My submarine was now at the bottom of the ocean at 50 m. I set the speed to 0 to prevent more damage and began frantic repairs. Sadly, the enemy was still pinging me and my helpless submarine at the bottom, a mere 50 m underneath them, was a sitting duck - literally. I calmly awaited death as the bombs quickly descended and blew up all around me ripping my submarine to shreds.

It was over quickly.

09-10-09, 06:10 PM	#1
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09-12-09, 09:33 AM	#3
Lt.Fillipidis Weps Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Veria, Greece Posts: 365 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Most of the time, i go flank speed at periscope depth and do a fast turn, the opposite way the DD is comming. That way im crisscrossing the paths and have less chance to be damaged.

09-12-09, 12:42 PM	#4
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Hmm, If you're at PD IRL they don't drop, they just Ram, or if you're too deep for that, they will drop a pattern, which will then explode underneath your boat, driving you to the surface, and then ram, if that doesn;t kill you they unload everything that can fire bullets at you, up to and including the captains sidearm. This will then make your boat resemble a: a sieve (which sinks it) or b: swiss cheese, (may not sink but definitely won't dive safely) at this point, for you, herr Kaleun, the war is over In game they will drop DCs which will only be a problem for slower ships like Flower corvettes and armed trawlers. I have seen Flowers blow themselves up during GWX testing, I deliberately provoked them into it. but not after that, because when I play the game for real I try not to get in such a situation.

09-14-09, 10:09 AM	#5
cawimmer430 Torpedoman Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 114 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Reminds me of my last mission in career mode before my HD crash. After patrolling my assigned grid and sinking two cargo vessels along the way, I headed down to the Gibraltar for a planned harbor attack. Nearing Gibraltar I spotted a lone merchant in calm waters. I dove to periscope depth, did a 360 degree visual sweep at max magnification, went silent and ordered a full hydrophone sweep. It was apparently safe to finish off the merchant with my deck gun. So I surface at full speed and race over to the merchant while my deck crew fires away. The merchant goes down - and suddenly, off in the distance an enemy destroyer is sighted. He's about 4 km away and closing fast. I figured I could stay surfaced for a minute or two max and attack his guns using a zig zag course. But suddenly, coming at me from the same bearing is another destroyer - and another one - and another one. A total of four destroyers all racing to me. I turned around at max speed and immediately dove down. Checking my depth under keel, I was shocked to find that the bottom of the ocean to surface was 50-60 meters in this region. All that was left to do was try to evade at max under water speed and then go silent as soon as the destroyers were about a 1 km near you. Well, these guys caught up fast and began pinging away like crazy. Going silent didn't help at all and even at maximum submerged speed and frantic turning, I was an easy prey for these guys. To make matters worse, a pair of Hurricanes showed up and began dropping bombs. It wasn't long before the four destroyers - soon joined by a 5th ship, a Flower Corvette, began coordinated attacks on me. I suffered extreme damage but thankfully no serious flooding - not yet. My deck gun was kaputt and so was my FLAK gun. Periscopes thankfully were still functional. I had repair crews working overtime to fix what could be fixed, so I wasn't running silent. At this point, I was pretty much screwed. The depth below me didn't increase. I noticed that these guys were doing circles around me so I quickly went to periscope depth and manually set the torpedoes (front and rear) for a straight 500 m run and fired away my rear and two front torpedoes without a target lock. My rear torpedo impacted on a destroyer and sent him to the bottom but my two front torpedoes barely missed another destroyer. It was time to go down again, reload and attack again. If I was going to die here, I was going to die giving these bastards a fight. I've already sunk merchant in front of their eyes and had just sent a destroyer to the bottom. Sadly, I didn't get a second chance. Two destroyers behind me began running attacks at high speeds and dropped a ton of depth charges on me. Amazingly, I wasn't destroyed but most of my compartments had serious flooding at this point. My submarine was now at the bottom of the ocean at 50 m. I set the speed to 0 to prevent more damage and began frantic repairs. Sadly, the enemy was still pinging me and my helpless submarine at the bottom, a mere 50 m underneath them, was a sitting duck - literally. I calmly awaited death as the bombs quickly descended and blew up all around me ripping my submarine to shreds. It was over quickly.