Simulations a dying breed... No says Paradox Interactive - Page 7

Arclight · 08-29-09, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike88

I do agree a lot of console games out there are too straight forward and don't require any challenge, but still if there were no consoles gaming wouldn't be as popular.

Samething if you own a Mac, which are becoming popular.

I'd rather download an emulator or even buy one instead of having to get a whole new system

Actually before they decided to release the slim at 299, a 360 was about the same price as a ps3 after you bought everything to get it to the same functionality.

I agree whole heartedly. Tis why I have a PC and a PS3, I can get the exclusive PS3 games, and 90% of the games out on the xbox.

I dunno, I love the orange box on my ps3 just as much as I love it on the PC.

Thats the whole point. Gaming shouldn't be popular, popular things are turned to crap.

There are Mac exclusive games?! What is this world coming to?

You missed the point, I said I was holding off because of it, not that I'd buy a new one if I already had one because of it.

I'm talking about now, not before.

And even then 360 didn't offer Bluetooth.

Good.

Matter of taste, I guess. I don't like FPS to start with, only ones I do like are VietCong and OFP/Arma. You really need quick aim in those, 1 hit and you're gone. I know there's VC for console, but it's dumbed down.

Loud_Silence · 08-29-09, 05:46 AM

I guess everyone forget about the '83 game crack...
If developers start focusing on selling lots and lots of poor-medium quality games instead of making one good game, we will have the stores oversloaded of crappy games, just like what happened back then.

But you know the Teladi essay... PROFIT IS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

Wolfehunter · 08-29-09, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Arclight

Thats the whole point. Gaming shouldn't be popular, popular things are turned to crap.

Agreed. Certain interest groups want PC games removed. I find the best games today are those who aren't controlled by big name publishers. Sure big named games have all the nice graphics and sounds but they're content sucks monkey balls.

I was happy when Console focused on console games and PC was for PC games.

stabiz · 08-29-09, 10:54 AM

I agree ... somewhat. The best games recent years have been from small outfits (rFactor, Men of War, Arma 1+2, etc, etc), but the big guys have published games like SH4 and Empire: Total War. Those are exceptions of course, 99% of big titles do - as you say - suck donkey balls.

Task Force · 08-29-09, 10:57 AM

yea, cause the big companys like to make the storylines sell...

Ea comes to mind.

stabiz · 08-29-09, 11:57 AM

EA made F1 Challenge 99-01 (or something like that), and thats the last time they made something I liked. Almost ten years ago!

Arclight · 08-29-09, 11:59 AM

Imho it's not so much about being developed by a big company, it's really about popularity;

Casual gamers outnumber core gamers by a fair margin, so for a game to be popular (ie. liked by the majority of gamers) it needs to appeal to casual gamers.

When devs listen to their fans, the majority is most likely to get what they want (of course there are exceptions: some teams want to stick to their vision instead of expanding the user base, but it's rare since money is always a concern), meaning a popular game is dumbed down or simplified because the majority wants instant gratification with minimal effort.

Both ETW and SH are scalable, making them fairly popular. Casual gamers are interested in ETW as a strategy game (imho it's a tactical game, because the battles are the focus), simply auto-resolving battles. Imho the strategy element is very simplified, but that's exactly what they are looking for. Same with SH: with auto-aim on and realism options off, it's a very simple lock-and-shoot experience, though you need to find a target first (the one "hard" thing in the game, which I think accounts for a part of the popularity gap between SH and TW games).

It's both a blessing and a curse: the simplification comes at a cost for core gamers, but without it the games would not be popular enough to keep producing new ones.

*(forgive me for the broad terms like casual- and coregamer, it's not ment to offend.)

Task Force · 08-29-09, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by stabiz

EA made F1 Challenge 99-01 (or something like that), and thats the last time they made something I liked. Almost ten years ago!

lol, yea, I think Ive only liked maby one or to of Eletronic A**holes games...

Dowly · 08-29-09, 07:57 PM

Jebus, I was sure I had already replied to this. Righto, I havent read the whole thread and I'm pissed drunk atm so, well so what.

Anywho, what's wityh all tyhe console bashing? I can assure, most of the best games (subject to debate yaadiyaa) are on consoles. Metal Gear Solid for one, yes I know it's been ported ot PC, but IMHO it's best played iwth a gamepad, on console.

Consoles arent killing thE PC gaming nor the simulationms, it's the wanker devs who want to take the easy way out and make some mindless FPS for consoles (see HALO, worst game ever, pleasr rant me with PM so I can call you ****ing roostersuckers privately). Easy money is what is killing simulations.

EDIT: For the umtheenth time Neal, your censor thing is broken.

EDIT2: Nvm, changed to roostersuckers.

Arclight · 08-30-09, 04:59 AM

:rotfl:

Fair enough. Now all we need is someone to come in here and blame it all on piracy, followed by the obligatory DRM debat.

Task Force · 08-30-09, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Arclight

:rotfl:

Fair enough. Now all we need is someone to come in here and blame it all on piracy, followed by the obligatory DRM debat.

I blame it all on piracy, and DRMs suck.

:rotfl: lol

Arclight · 08-30-09, 07:12 PM

Good, than we can get back on track;

Oh noes, casual games are killing sims!

http://www.myextralife.com/

Task Force · 08-30-09, 07:27 PM

http://www.myextralife.com/comic/09192001/
this one reminds me of alot of games lol...

Arclight · 08-31-09, 06:10 AM

Sure does, but there are cars that have defects as well.

Alfa Romeo, for example. Some of their cars have a tendency to blow the head gasket, making for an expensive repair. It's also possible the head will warp when the gasket goes, and than you're really up crap creak.

And yet, everybody wants one. Just proves that the public at large needs to get their heads out of their asses.

Task Force · 08-31-09, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arclight

Sure does, but there are cars that have defects as well.

Alfa Romeo, for example. Some of their cars have a tendency to blow the head gasket, making for an expensive repair. It's also possible the head will warp when the gasket goes, and than you're really up crap creak.

And yet, everybody wants one. Just proves that the public at large needs to get their heads out of their asses.

Oah yes... lol, ive seen the topgear alfa romeo episode... I can see why they never cought on in the states... lol

08-29-09, 10:54 AM	#94
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I agree ... somewhat. The best games recent years have been from small outfits (rFactor, Men of War, Arma 1+2, etc, etc), but the big guys have published games like SH4 and Empire: Total War. Those are exceptions of course, 99% of big titles do - as you say - suck donkey balls. __________________

08-29-09, 10:57 AM	#95
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	yea, cause the big companys like to make the storylines sell... Ea comes to mind. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

08-29-09, 11:57 AM	#96
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	EA made F1 Challenge 99-01 (or something like that), and thats the last time they made something I liked. Almost ten years ago! __________________

08-29-09, 11:59 AM	#97
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Imho it's not so much about being developed by a big company, it's really about popularity; Casual gamers outnumber core gamers by a fair margin, so for a game to be popular (ie. liked by the majority of gamers) it needs to appeal to casual gamers. When devs listen to their fans, the majority is most likely to get what they want (of course there are exceptions: some teams want to stick to their vision instead of expanding the user base, but it's rare since money is always a concern), meaning a popular game is dumbed down or simplified because the majority wants instant gratification with minimal effort. Both ETW and SH are scalable, making them fairly popular. Casual gamers are interested in ETW as a strategy game (imho it's a tactical game, because the battles are the focus), simply auto-resolving battles. Imho the strategy element is very simplified, but that's exactly what they are looking for. Same with SH: with auto-aim on and realism options off, it's a very simple lock-and-shoot experience, though you need to find a target first (the one "hard" thing in the game, which I think accounts for a part of the popularity gap between SH and TW games). It's both a blessing and a curse: the simplification comes at a cost for core gamers, but without it the games would not be popular enough to keep producing new ones. (forgive me for the broad terms like casual- and coregamer, it's not ment to offend.) __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.*

08-30-09, 04:59 AM	#100
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	:rotfl: Fair enough. Now all we need is someone to come in here and blame it all on piracy, followed by the obligatory DRM debat. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

08-29-09, 05:46 AM	#92
Loud_Silence Planesman Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 193 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I guess everyone forget about the '83 game crack... If developers start focusing on selling lots and lots of poor-medium quality games instead of making one good game, we will have the stores oversloaded of crappy games, just like what happened back then. But you know the Teladi essay... PROFIT IS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

08-29-09, 07:57 PM	#99
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Jebus, I was sure I had already replied to this. Righto, I havent read the whole thread and I'm pissed drunk atm so, well so what. Anywho, what's wityh all tyhe console bashing? I can assure, most of the best games (subject to debate yaadiyaa) are on consoles. Metal Gear Solid for one, yes I know it's been ported ot PC, but IMHO it's best played iwth a gamepad, on console. Consoles arent killing thE PC gaming nor the simulationms, it's the wanker devs who want to take the easy way out and make some mindless FPS for consoles (see HALO, worst game ever, pleasr rant me with PM so I can call you ****ing roostersuckers privately). Easy money is what is killing simulations. EDIT: For the umtheenth time Neal, your censor thing is broken. EDIT2: Nvm, changed to roostersuckers.

08-30-09, 07:12 PM	#102
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Good, than we can get back on track; Oh noes, casual games are killing sims! http://www.myextralife.com/ __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

08-30-09, 07:27 PM	#103
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	http://www.myextralife.com/comic/09192001/ this one reminds me of alot of games lol... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

08-31-09, 06:10 AM	#104
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Sure does, but there are cars that have defects as well. Alfa Romeo, for example. Some of their cars have a tendency to blow the head gasket, making for an expensive repair. It's also possible the head will warp when the gasket goes, and than you're really up crap creak. And yet, everybody wants one. Just proves that the public at large needs to get their heads out of their asses. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.