[REQ] WWI submarine mod

[Sledgehammer427]

Ooooooo, I must start on something.
but what?
aye, that be the question

EDIT:Started on a UB class, it is a heavily modified Type II, but you can hardly tell anymore

[keltos01]

models from Shells of Fury



U35



U53




UB1





UC2

seen here in fragMOTION

Sledgehammmer427 UB Class


and an unidentified Uboot by Iambecomelife (didn't say the class he was working on in his post)


keltos

[Sledgehammer427]

and suddenly we have all the subs we need

EDIT: IABL identified it as the U-9

[gimpy117]

is it legal to pull them from shells of fury?

[Sledgehammer427]

from the liscense agreement

3. Prohibited Uses. The following uses of the Software are prohibited. If you wish to use the Software in a manner prohibited below, please contact the Company at the address, phone, or fax numbers listed above for information regarding a "Special Use License. "Otherwise, you may NOT :
(a) Make or distribute copies of the Software or documentation, or any portion thereof, except as expressly provided in this Agreement.
(b) Use any backup or archival copy of the Software (or allow someone else to use such copy) for any purpose other than to replace the original copy in the event it is destroyed or becomes defective;
(c) Alter, decompile, modify, reverse engineer or disassemble the Software, create derivative works based upon the Software, or make any attempt to bypass, unlock or disable any protective or initialization system on the Software;
(d) Rent, lease, sub-license, time-share, or transfer the Software or documentation, or your rights under this Agreement.
(e) Remove or obscure any copyright or trademark notice(s) on the Software or documentation;
(f) Upload or transmit the Software, or any portion thereof, to any electronic bulletin board, network, or other type of multi-use computer system regardless of purpose;
(g) Include the Software in any commercial products intended for manufacture, distribution, or sale; or
(h) Include the Software in any product containing immoral, scandalous, controversial, derogatory, obscene, or offensive works.

EDIT: so it really depends on what your definition of "software" is.
other than that, as long as we credit them for the original models, it seems to be okay.
Another edit. Section (f) worries me, as well as (c)

[Highbury]

I hate to say it (I want a WWI mod sooo bad) but the EULA definitely says no. This is the stance taken by pretty much all game companies. Sometimes they will allow you to mod their past work into current engines. (Example, SimBim racing titles. You are allowed to port cars from older to newer titles made by SimBin, but not the other way around, or to titles by other companies.) But extracting the models from one game to another is usually "taboo" if not outright illegal.

Lines (c) and (f) aside, you can't get by (a):

"(a) Make or distribute copies of the Software or documentation, or any portion thereof, except as expressly provided in this Agreement."

The models are definitely a portion of the software by anyone's definition. Putting them in the mod for download is distributing them.


You can always ask permission and see......

[iambecomelife]

Originally Posted by Highbury

I hate to say it (I want a WWI mod sooo bad) but the EULA definitely says no. This is the stance taken by pretty much all game companies. Sometimes they will allow you to mod their past work into current engines. (Example, SimBim racing titles. You are allowed to port cars from older to newer titles made by SimBin, but not the other way around, or to titles by other companies.) But extracting the models from one game to another is usually "taboo" if not outright illegal.

Lines (c) and (f) aside, you can't get by (a):

"(a) Make or distribute copies of the Software or documentation, or any portion thereof, except as expressly provided in this Agreement."

The models are definitely a portion of the software by anyone's definition. Putting them in the mod for download is distributing them.


You can always ask permission and see......

Not a problem - I will simply use the SOF models as references instead. There are already several models for the game (including U-9) that are either scratchbuilt or incorporate small numbers of SH4 parts.

[iambecomelife]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

Ooooooo, I must start on something.
but what?
aye, that be the question

EDIT:Started on a UB class, it is a heavily modified Type II, but you can hardly tell anymore

Wow; that is just superb! Who needs SOF? I will do my best to help out with the submarines in the unit list I gave you but that's going to be hard to equal. By all means model what you want but it might be best if I focused on the surface units.

[Sledgehammer427]

thank you IABL!
I just emailed rondomedia on the off-chance they will allow us to use their models (which i doubt, but it is worth a try).

I will start on a U-cruiser type now
after I post a picture or two of the finished UB before I split the Hull and tower into seperate models.

Bridge helm, as the screenshot provides, might be removed.

[keltos01]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

thank you IABL!
I just emailed rondomedia on the off-chance they will allow us to use their models (which i doubt, but it is worth a try).

I will start on a U-cruiser type now
after I post a picture or two of the finished UB before I split the Hull and tower into seperate models.

Bridge helm, as the screenshot provides, might be removed.

Neat !

I have a question though : how do you cut through a mesh (not a solid) to cut away the torpedo doors, then use the cutout part as a door ? Everytime I do that with meshes in 3DS I get weird results... guess it cuts along the polygons not the inserted shape used to do the cutting.

anyways, if we start with a couple subs that's good enough isn't it ?

I have those IJN subs (Sen Toku) to finish off... but I will help with what little time I have.

keltos

[keltos01]

SOF U35 :






Obviously the SOF models have simple models the details come with the texture. and I guess, like in SH4, sometimes very detailed like the 3d plancking on the Typ IX (missing on US subs) sometimes not.

keltos

[Sledgehammer427]

Originally Posted by keltos01

Neat !

I have a question though : how do you cut through a mesh (not a solid) to cut away the torpedo doors, then use the cutout part as a door ? Everytime I do that with meshes in 3DS I get weird results... guess it cuts along the polygons not the inserted shape used to do the cutting.

anyways, if we start with a couple subs that's good enough isn't it ?

I have those IJN subs (Sen Toku) to finish off... but I will help with what little time I have.

keltos

I use MM3D but I'm sure the things can be replicated in a more complicated 3d program.

1. I take the sub with the tubes I want and I remove the whole sub, leaving the tubes.
-save and exit.
2.When you have the model you want, select the faces you want to use as the torpedo tubes.
-Copy the faces into your clipboard
-before moving on, save your whole sub as a group.
-select your torpedo tube doors, and scale them inward, to the point wheres about a 30cm gap between the faces.
-then paste your doors, which are the exact size and scale of the cutouts you just made
-you can save these and modify your doors later

thats kinda how I do it, I prolly forgot something though

[keltos01]

replied on the narwhal thread, sorry I brought this up in this thread, you can erase your replies in here

keltos

[keltos01]

SH427 :

when you make a sub, do you work with solids, cut merge etc.. then turn to mesh or do you have some other way ?

keltos

[keltos01]

Originally Posted by iambecomelife

Wow; that is just superb! Who needs SOF? I will do my best to help out with the submarines in the unit list I gave you but that's going to be hard to equal. By all means model what you want but it might be best if I focused on the surface units.

I can clone the SOF units and make new ones so as not to have any copyrights problems, btw I couldn't find the game on rondomedia so it might be they don't sell it anymore...

I'll use them as a blueprint and add stuff seen from photos if any are outthere.

we also need British subs and US subs.

keltos