WW2 Navy Video

Originally Posted by Morts

the guy was obviously dead already when they shot him

Couple seconds before he was machine guned. So obviosly he got killed. And then shooting the dead guy don't you find it weird also ?

[Raptor1]

Actually, the kamikaze pilot killed himself with a grenade in order to avoid capture, that video showing him machine gunned is edited.

Or, at least, that's what I heard last time I saw that footage, I can't see how a submachine gun would make such a big splash too.

Originally Posted by Raptor1

Actually, the kamikaze pilot killed himself with a grenade in order to avoid capture, that video showing him machine gunned is edited.

How do you know he was a kamikadzee pilot ? Maybe he was a sailor from Japaneese ship ? This video is not all about kamikadzees if you payed attention.

And Blah blah blah edited again. next ?

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Contact

How do you know he was a kamikadzee pilot ? Maybe he was a sailor from Japaneese ship ? This video is not all about kamikadzees if you payed attention.

And Blah blah blah edited again. next ?

Because last time I saw that footage they also said it was a kamikaze pilot (I don't remember exactly where it was, but I'm quite sure it's this one).

Shooting survivors did happen a lot on both sides, but this case seems rather bogus.

Originally Posted by Raptor1

Because last time I saw that footage they also said it was a kamikaze pilot (I don't remember exactly where it was, but I'm quite sure it's this one).

Shooting survivors did happen a lot on both sides, but this case seems rather bogus.

Who are THEY ? Maybe they said something they had not had a clue themselves what they talking about.

Correct, shooting survivors happened in both sides.
The cause I'm pushing this discussion further is that I feel that some people don't want to take this fact for real as they see something like that. Why ?

[SteamWake]

wth is a kamakadzee ?

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Contact

Who are THEY ? Maybe they said something they had not had a clue themselves what they talking about.

Correct, shooting survivors happened in both sides.
The cause I'm pushing this discussion further is that I feel that some people don't want to take this fact for real as they see something like that. Why ?

Well, since what I recall doesn't count, It's still easy to disprove it (Even though I can't prove he is a kamikaze pilot, but that's irrelevant).

The video shows 1, possibly 2 (If one considers how the water looks before the hit), big blasts, while fire from a submachine gun as seen would have made many smaller splashes. The color of the water and the ambiance in the parts before/after and during the submachine gun footage is clearly different, also the direction in which the shooter fires compared to the camera is completely wrong compared to the footage where you see the gun supposedly hitting the man.

Originally Posted by Raptor1

Well, since what I recall doesn't count, It's still easy to disprove it (Even though I can't prove he is a kamikaze pilot, but that's irrelevant).

The video shows 1, possibly 2 (If one considers how the water looks before the hit), big blasts, while fire from a submachine gun as seen would have made many smaller splashes. The color of the water and the ambiance in the parts before/after and during the submachine gun footage is clearly different, also the direction in which the shooter fires compared to the camera is completely wrong compared to the footage where you see the gun supposedly hitting the man.

Ok I will have a deeper look at the video tomorrow and will give my response. Currently watching basketball Lithuania - Greece game, having a beer

[pozine]

This video is not from me so... the bad music is not my fault

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

wth is a kamakadzee ?

I'll let you know tomorrow......after I've ordered it with boiled rice from the local takeaway

Originally Posted by Raptor1

Well, since what I recall doesn't count, It's still easy to disprove it (Even though I can't prove he is a kamikaze pilot, but that's irrelevant).

The video shows 1, possibly 2 (If one considers how the water looks before the hit), big blasts, while fire from a submachine gun as seen would have made many smaller splashes. The color of the water and the ambiance in the parts before/after and during the submachine gun footage is clearly different, also the direction in which the shooter fires compared to the camera is completely wrong compared to the footage where you see the gun supposedly hitting the man.

Yes the whole video is not a continuous peace of work. The whole video is made from many filmed peaces and joined in one in logical line. That is the only edit that I can see. Otherwise it wouldn't fit to 6:54 time. I could argue about how high the water splashes from a submachine gun would be (with/without object contact in the water) but I think it is also irrelevant. Color of the water can change in the ocean from the angle you're looking at the water, even the waving can slightly change the color tone of the water.
Shooter fires into the left, then camera shows splashes around victim to the right. This can also lead that there were more than one camera man on board filming the same moment. One guy was filming the shooter, another at the same time the victim in the water. Later those peaces were joined in together.

[Raptor1]

This seems to say the same as me:



If you look before the explosion part, you can see him (probably) pulling out the grenade.

[pozine]

Congratulation!
The Video is now a fake

Originally Posted by Raptor1

This seems to say the same as me:



If you look before the explosion part, you can see him (probably) pulling out the grenade.

Very good Raptor

One question left to answer to a comment below the video.

"Considering that Japanese handgrenades had fuzes which required a pin to be removed-
*after which the fuze needed to be activated by hitting it against a hard surface* !
Soldiers would normally use the heel of their boot for that purpose.
How on earth did this fellow manage to do that trick...under water...? "

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Contact

Very good Raptor

One question left to answer to a comment below the video.

"Considering that Japanese handgrenades had fuzes which required a pin to be removed-
*after which the fuze needed to be activated by hitting it against a hard surface* !
Soldiers would normally use the heel of their boot for that purpose.
How on earth did this fellow manage to do that trick...under water...? "

The Type 23 grenade, originally a Chinese design, did not have this feature. The Japanese also developed the rather crude Type 4 grenade later in the war but I am not sure how hard it was to activate or if it would have worked in water.

Also, it could have been a captured grenade from any number of enemies, I can see why a Japanese pilot would keep one in case something like this happened.