First Person

pythos · 08-23-09, 09:32 PM

I am sure the statements about lugers being shot in a submarine are meant in a joking manner.

But gotta say, the bullets in a gun like that would be of a material that would hurt or kill a human, but not go through the hull of the boat, or ricochet. For obvious reasons.

Such weapons did exist for the specific purpose of shooting in such a vessel.

Frederf · 08-23-09, 11:21 PM

Were such specialized weapons carried aboard WWII surface or submarine vessels?

Reece · 08-23-09, 11:38 PM

IIRC both movies (original trailers) of SH3 & 4 were nothing like the game!

FIREWALL · 08-23-09, 11:38 PM

I want to see" Steam "comeing out of the crew members during crash dive.

DarkFish · 08-24-09, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pythos

I am sure the statements about lugers being shot in a submarine are meant in a joking manner.

But gotta say, the bullets in a gun like that would be of a material that would hurt or kill a human, but not go through the hull of the boat, or ricochet. For obvious reasons.

Such weapons did exist for the specific purpose of shooting in such a vessel.

I know of at least one instance where an on-board shooting did take place:

Quote:

Originally Posted by uboat.net

While outbound east of the Azores on 24 Oct, 1943 the boat was severely attacked by depth charges. Peter Zschech apparently broke down and took his own life with a handgun in the control room of the boat. The IWO, Oblt. Paul Mayer (26), then took command, evaded the pursuers and returned the boat to Lorient on 7. Nov, 1943.

"My entire control room crew shot themselves, just for fun. Now my sub won't do what I want! Ubisoft sux!"

JU_88 · 08-24-09, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pythos

I am sure the statements about lugers being shot in a submarine are meant in a joking manner.

But gotta say, the bullets in a gun like that would be of a material that would hurt or kill a human, but not go through the hull of the boat, or ricochet. For obvious reasons.

Such weapons did exist for the specific purpose of shooting in such a vessel.

Really?
I would have doubted a weapon of that calibre could even dent the pressure hull of a sub / U-boat, wouldnt you need a 20mm cannon or something?

Anyway - I'd be surprised if 9mm round could penetrate this:
http://www.submarine-history.com/NOVAsections.jpg

Its not quite tank Armor i admit, but nor does it resemble the thin pressure cabin of a modern day Airliner...

Better safe than sorry I guess...

Nexus7 · 08-24-09, 09:15 AM

This ventilated feature gives a lot of room to fantasy discussions...

If my engyneer is fatigued I would like to notice it by his face and slower movements and reactions... (extremely fatigued, fall asleep at his station...)

I would like to see extreme situations into the sub, like water or fire in a compartment, and the people running to fix it, with a certain chance of success... even people dyeing in the process if serious enought... (some random factors would be interesting).

Curious to see what it happens by calling "battlestations"

Some crew members with weak nerves that with a certain chance, will pessimistically yell when under water bombs attack even when silent running is an order, compromising the position... lol

pythos · 08-25-09, 01:15 PM

The big problem with firing a regular bullet in inside any thick hulled machine (tanks, armored car, submarine, surface vessel) is ricochet. This can literally shred the crew of a tank, and do some serious damage to the crew and equipment).

Lugers were notorious for being more powerful than most 9mils. The scene in Indiana Jones when he shoots the three Germans in front of him, is based on the reality of the Luger. It was quite a hand gun. God knows why.

Now, as far as the bullets. To my knowledge these soft bullets are in the side arms of submarine crews of Russian, and European boats (not sure about US, but I would hope so).

Hartmann · 08-29-09, 09:57 AM

With a full 3d realism a crash dive diving time could depend of the player skills moving from the bridge to the control room ?

could the sub dive with the hatch open ? or the IA crew will wait until the bridge crew is inside of the boat ?

The first person perspective in a submarine game opens a lot of news possibilities and questions,

Bosje · 08-29-09, 10:47 AM

imagine the reviews from the average gaming audience:

'This is the shortest game ever, there's only 45 guys to shoot and none of em run away or shoot back, what a waste of my money'

Rip · 08-29-09, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosje

imagine the reviews from the average gaming audience:

'This is the shortest game ever, there's only 45 guys to shoot and none of em run away or shoot back, what a waste of my money'

08-23-09, 11:38 PM	#3
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,928 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	IIRC both movies (original trailers) of SH3 & 4 were nothing like the game! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

08-23-09, 11:38 PM	#4
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I want to see" Steam "comeing out of the crew members during crash dive. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

08-24-09, 09:15 AM	#7
Nexus7 Commander Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 469 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	This ventilated feature gives a lot of room to fantasy discussions... If my engyneer is fatigued I would like to notice it by his face and slower movements and reactions... (extremely fatigued, fall asleep at his station...) I would like to see extreme situations into the sub, like water or fire in a compartment, and the people running to fix it, with a certain chance of success... even people dyeing in the process if serious enought... (some random factors would be interesting). Curious to see what it happens by calling "battlestations" Some crew members with weak nerves that with a certain chance, will pessimistically yell when under water bombs attack even when silent running is an order, compromising the position... lol __________________ If you are going through hell... keep going (Winston Churchill)

08-29-09, 09:57 AM	#9
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	With a full 3d realism a crash dive diving time could depend of the player skills moving from the bridge to the control room ? could the sub dive with the hatch open ? or the IA crew will wait until the bridge crew is inside of the boat ? The first person perspective in a submarine game opens a lot of news possibilities and questions, __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

08-29-09, 10:47 AM	#10
Bosje Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 732 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	imagine the reviews from the average gaming audience: 'This is the shortest game ever, there's only 45 guys to shoot and none of em run away or shoot back, what a waste of my money' __________________ And when an 800-ton Uboat has you by the tits... you listen!

08-23-09, 09:32 PM	#1
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	I am sure the statements about lugers being shot in a submarine are meant in a joking manner. But gotta say, the bullets in a gun like that would be of a material that would hurt or kill a human, but not go through the hull of the boat, or ricochet. For obvious reasons. Such weapons did exist for the specific purpose of shooting in such a vessel.

08-23-09, 11:21 PM	#2
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	Were such specialized weapons carried aboard WWII surface or submarine vessels?

08-25-09, 01:15 PM	#8
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	The big problem with firing a regular bullet in inside any thick hulled machine (tanks, armored car, submarine, surface vessel) is ricochet. This can literally shred the crew of a tank, and do some serious damage to the crew and equipment). Lugers were notorious for being more powerful than most 9mils. The scene in Indiana Jones when he shoots the three Germans in front of him, is based on the reality of the Luger. It was quite a hand gun. God knows why. Now, as far as the bullets. To my knowledge these soft bullets are in the side arms of submarine crews of Russian, and European boats (not sure about US, but I would hope so).