Sea Shepards ram Japanese whaling ship

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Contact

What do you want me to tell you exactly ? I don't like poachers at sea I see them as bigger threat to earths ecosystem, than SS activity. And if I ever start and finish contructing my u-boat I will find them and give them something to remember

So you dream of becoming a pirate (In my opinion)? Is that the case contact? Do you dream of killing all those people with families? I do not believe even SS wants the whalers dead.... what does that say about your U-boat dreams (In my opinion) eh?

You stop poachers by using whatever sensors you can to record their activity. The whaling popularity in Japan was starting to sour fast until SS turned it into a nationalistic thing. The whalers are being hailed as heros for withstanding SS attacks instead of people doing a flawed activity.

Originally Posted by Zachstar

So you dream of becoming a pirate (In my opinion)? Is that the case contact? Do you dream of killing all those people with families? I do not believe even SS wants the whalers dead.... what does that say about your U-boat dreams (In my opinion) eh?

You stop poachers by using whatever sensors you can to record their activity. The whaling popularity in Japan was starting to sour fast until SS turned it into a nationalistic thing. The whalers are being hailed as heros for withstanding SS attacks instead of people doing a flawed activity.

Enjoy trolling much? The Shepards have never killed or even harmed anyone.

There is no real entity to keep the illegal or semi-illegal whaling in check, if there was then maybe these guys weren't needed. As things are they are out there and if they hadn't been out there defending whales many species would have been on the brink of extinction if not extinct.

Tribesman,

well they've been at it for about 30 years, if they're about to go out of business then, well, I'll believe it when I see it.

[antikristuseke]

OoneToughHering, I find it very hard to belive that the sea shepard has ad anything but the most minute effect on any population of any species of whales. Their tactics are only druming up support for whaling from the japanese public, though I have no information on wether its popularity was waning beforehand or not.

Now, back to herr Contact.
Are you 12? I no not mean this to be insulting, I only mean that you come off as someone very young, allways talking in absolutes and speaking of grand gestures. The thing about those is that there are very few (if any) absolutes in this world and grand gestures only look good on paper whithout having much real effect on the real world.

Now then, I do not particularly like Japans whaling activity, but that is more due to their oversteping of quotas and breaking of international law, than any urge to shave the whales. Regardless, what the SS is doing is silly, wrong and counterproductive to their efforts and therefore needs to stop before things escalate from sillyness and stupidity to the grand magnificence that a pile of fail is.

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Now, back to herr Contact.
Are you 12? I no not mean this to be insulting, I only mean that you come off as someone very young, allways talking in absolutes and speaking of grand gestures. The thing about those is that there are very few (if any) absolutes in this world and grand gestures only look good on paper whithout having much real effect on the real world.

If you asked.. I'm 27. And my speaking manner is directly related to my charachter. That is where from the absolute thinking is rising.

Speaking of grand gestures I think most important is at least to have them!

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Contact

If you asked.. I'm 27. And my speaking manner is directly related to my charachter. That is where from the absolute thinking is rising.

Speaking of grand gestures I think most important is at least to have them!

More like grand gestures are meaningless, but alas...

In any case, your argument finds itself in a precarious position. You're not trying to defend the attacts on whalers from a moral standpoint, and that's the fatal flaw.

You can't use the law to justify the SS attacks on whalers, and then turn around and ignore the law regarding said attacks. Either the law validates an action or it does not. If you take the approach that SOME laws validate the attacks, but the laws related to the attacks themselves are irrelevent, then you made the argument about perspective and not law whatsoever.

Meaning, from their view the Japanese are correct in engaging in whaling. Furthermore, from their view, the Japanese could possible be correct in destroying the SS.

And that view is no more or less correct than yours.

[Spike88]

In my opinion, what there doing is kind of like the people who shoot abortion doctors to try and stop abortions. Its still illegal.


Apparently Greenpeace, dislikes the SS and her captain, because of his methods, and tries to distance themselves from them.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Spike88

In my opinion, what there doing is kind of like the people who shoot abortion doctors to try and stop abortions. Its still illegal.

Well put.

Originally Posted by Aramike

More like grand gestures are meaningless, but alas...

In any case, your argument finds itself in a precarious position. You're not trying to defend the attacts on whalers from a moral standpoint, and that's the fatal flaw.

You can't use the law to justify the SS attacks on whalers, and then turn around and ignore the law regarding said attacks. Either the law validates an action or it does not. If you take the approach that SOME laws validate the attacks, but the laws related to the attacks themselves are irrelevent, then you made the argument about perspective and not law whatsoever.

Meaning, from their view the Japanese are correct in engaging in whaling. Furthermore, from their view, the Japanese could possible be correct in destroying the SS.

And that view is no more or less correct than yours.

**** the law! You think every law branch is perfect and even for everyone ? Then you must be simply naive if you do. C'mon! what law SS are braking ? Do they kill or kidnap people ? Do they rob or take over ships from these Japs ? Explain precisly in details right now and here what ****in law are they braking ?! Cuz you already pissed me off with your one way attitude. You think it's not against the law to ignore the limits of allowed quantity of whales that they kill ? They don't care about quatas you know why ? because only what they care about is money they are getting for every single whale they kill! Ipso facto they cover themselves under some 'research' cover what is also a bull**** to make blindly law obeying people all over the world to believe this fairytale!

[Letum]

C'mon! what law SS are braking ? Do they kill or kidnap people ? Do they rob or take over ships from these Japs ? Explain precisly in details right now and here what ****in law are they braking ?!

Are you kidding?
They claim to have sunk ten ships!. The have rammed many more
causing damage to the ships and injury to crew members.

They have thrown acid onto the decks of ships, also causing injury and
damage.

They have boarded several ships and destroyed equipment on board as well
as cutting lose drift nets.

The captain has stated that "I stand in honourable company as a
modern-day pirate".

It is undoubtable that they have caused damage to property, disruption to
legal commercial and scientific activity and put lives at needless risk.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Contact

**** the law! You think every law branch is perfect and even for everyone ? Then you must be simply naive if you do. C'mon! what law SS are braking ? Do they kill or kidnap people ? Do they rob or take over ships from these Japs ? Explain precisly in details right now and here what ****in law are they braking ?! Cuz you already pissed me off with your one way attitude. You think it's not against the law to ignore the limits of allowed quantity of whales that they kill ? They don't care about quatas you know why ? because only what they care about is money they are getting for every single whale they kill! Ipso facto they cover themselves under some 'research' cover what is also a bull**** to make blindly law obeying people all over the world to believe this fairytale!

So by your view, it's okay for anti-abortion protesters to kill abortion doctors.

Like you said, **** the law.

In fact, the Japanese should just sink the SS and be done with it. **** the law, right?

Btw, you may want to get smarter before you engage me with your typical hate-filled spew. I'm not seeing things one way - YOU are. I'm seeing both sides. I disagree with whaling, but I disagree with what those morons on the SS are doing, as well - and I find it hilarious how they are willing to break maritime law for a totally ineffective tactic.

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Now then, I do not particularly like Japans whaling activity, but that is more due to their oversteping of quotas and breaking of international law.

Exactly, and Japaneese whalehunters are constantly breaking this law. It is ok that at least some media like Discovery channel is showing to world society what is really going on there.

Anyway this discussion more and more is getting useless because we all are going to stick by our own opinions and noone but only ourselfs can change that.

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

OoneToughHering, I find it very hard to belive that the sea shepard has ad anything but the most minute effect on any population of any species of whales. Their tactics are only druming up support for whaling from the japanese public, though I have no information on wether its popularity was waning beforehand or not.

Well from what I know whaling isn't that popular at least among younger Japanese. The whale meat that is fished for 'scientific purposes' is sold at the fish markets. Interesting science.

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Well from what I know whaling isn't that popular at least among younger Japanese. The whale meat that is fished for 'scientific purposes' is sold at the fish markets. Interesting science.

I would say money making science