Sea Shepards ram Japanese whaling ship

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Now, back to herr Contact.
Are you 12? I no not mean this to be insulting, I only mean that you come off as someone very young, allways talking in absolutes and speaking of grand gestures. The thing about those is that there are very few (if any) absolutes in this world and grand gestures only look good on paper whithout having much real effect on the real world.

If you asked.. I'm 27. And my speaking manner is directly related to my charachter. That is where from the absolute thinking is rising.

Speaking of grand gestures I think most important is at least to have them!

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Contact

If you asked.. I'm 27. And my speaking manner is directly related to my charachter. That is where from the absolute thinking is rising.

Speaking of grand gestures I think most important is at least to have them!

More like grand gestures are meaningless, but alas...

In any case, your argument finds itself in a precarious position. You're not trying to defend the attacts on whalers from a moral standpoint, and that's the fatal flaw.

You can't use the law to justify the SS attacks on whalers, and then turn around and ignore the law regarding said attacks. Either the law validates an action or it does not. If you take the approach that SOME laws validate the attacks, but the laws related to the attacks themselves are irrelevent, then you made the argument about perspective and not law whatsoever.

Meaning, from their view the Japanese are correct in engaging in whaling. Furthermore, from their view, the Japanese could possible be correct in destroying the SS.

And that view is no more or less correct than yours.

[Spike88]

In my opinion, what there doing is kind of like the people who shoot abortion doctors to try and stop abortions. Its still illegal.


Apparently Greenpeace, dislikes the SS and her captain, because of his methods, and tries to distance themselves from them.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Spike88

In my opinion, what there doing is kind of like the people who shoot abortion doctors to try and stop abortions. Its still illegal.

Well put.

[Zoomer96]

I guess its a matter of ethics............

A wrongful action is not a morally appropriate way to correct or cancel a previous wrongful action.

[ETR3(SS)]

Two wrongs don't make a right?

[Spike88]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Two wrongs don't make a right?

Three do.

Tribesman,

well they've been at it for about 30 years, if they're about to go out of business then, well, I'll believe it when I see it.

Thats where the registry comes in . OK when there is another specific legal case they just lose their ship again and buy another, but without registry every harbour and every navy is obliged to impound the vessel by law . Once the Dutch follow other nations in refusing to flag the vessls then sea shepherd will be unable to dock anywhere in the world .
They want to be pirates, then thats the price they pay.
Oh and the attempt they want to try at sailing with the nations confederacy flag won't work as no country recognises it as a registered merchant marine.
Quite frankly these idiots are even worse than the complete idiots at PETA.

**** the law!

Thats a very expensive business and not a very sensible one to follow, especially when they have no possible legal arguement to justify their actions.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Thats where the registry comes in . OK when there is another specific legal case they just lose their ship again and buy another, but without registry every harbour and every navy is obliged to impound the vessel by law . Once the Dutch follow other nations in refusing to flag the vessls then sea shepherd will be unable to dock anywhere in the world .
They want to be pirates, then thats the price they pay.
Oh and the attempt they want to try at sailing with the nations confederacy flag won't work as no country recognises it as a registered merchant marine.
Quite frankly these idiots are even worse than the complete idiots at PETA.


Thats a very expensive business and not a very sensible one to follow, especially when they have no possible legal arguement to justify their actions.

I think we've reached the 'ad nauseum' phase in this debate but let's keep going anyway, in the end this is a good, worthwhile issue.

Again, I'll wait until they will be 'barred from harbours' and how exactly that will stop them. And what will happen with the Japanese 'scientific' whaling then. Obviously some people have much faith in basicly commercial companies keeping natures intrests first when the other option is to make more profits. I wonder what option they will choose. Or then, more likely option is that some people just don't care if certain species are basicly hunted to extinction.

Interesting you should bring up PETA because both them and the Shepherds are from the States. If one should critizise the SS for something then a good point would be to point out that they are based in the US and mainly carry out operations against non-US targets making then an entity that furthers US intrests around the world against it's competitors.

Letum,

I think they have these things called lawyers that represent them in the courts and stuff. They're not like, fugitives and stuff.

Fight for whale life continues:

Originally Posted by Aramike

More like grand gestures are meaningless, but alas...

In any case, your argument finds itself in a precarious position. You're not trying to defend the attacts on whalers from a moral standpoint, and that's the fatal flaw.

You can't use the law to justify the SS attacks on whalers, and then turn around and ignore the law regarding said attacks. Either the law validates an action or it does not. If you take the approach that SOME laws validate the attacks, but the laws related to the attacks themselves are irrelevent, then you made the argument about perspective and not law whatsoever.

Meaning, from their view the Japanese are correct in engaging in whaling. Furthermore, from their view, the Japanese could possible be correct in destroying the SS.

And that view is no more or less correct than yours.

**** the law! You think every law branch is perfect and even for everyone ? Then you must be simply naive if you do. C'mon! what law SS are braking ? Do they kill or kidnap people ? Do they rob or take over ships from these Japs ? Explain precisly in details right now and here what ****in law are they braking ?! Cuz you already pissed me off with your one way attitude. You think it's not against the law to ignore the limits of allowed quantity of whales that they kill ? They don't care about quatas you know why ? because only what they care about is money they are getting for every single whale they kill! Ipso facto they cover themselves under some 'research' cover what is also a bull**** to make blindly law obeying people all over the world to believe this fairytale!

[Letum]

C'mon! what law SS are braking ? Do they kill or kidnap people ? Do they rob or take over ships from these Japs ? Explain precisly in details right now and here what ****in law are they braking ?!

Are you kidding?
They claim to have sunk ten ships!. The have rammed many more
causing damage to the ships and injury to crew members.

They have thrown acid onto the decks of ships, also causing injury and
damage.

They have boarded several ships and destroyed equipment on board as well
as cutting lose drift nets.

The captain has stated that "I stand in honourable company as a
modern-day pirate".

It is undoubtable that they have caused damage to property, disruption to
legal commercial and scientific activity and put lives at needless risk.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Contact

**** the law! You think every law branch is perfect and even for everyone ? Then you must be simply naive if you do. C'mon! what law SS are braking ? Do they kill or kidnap people ? Do they rob or take over ships from these Japs ? Explain precisly in details right now and here what ****in law are they braking ?! Cuz you already pissed me off with your one way attitude. You think it's not against the law to ignore the limits of allowed quantity of whales that they kill ? They don't care about quatas you know why ? because only what they care about is money they are getting for every single whale they kill! Ipso facto they cover themselves under some 'research' cover what is also a bull**** to make blindly law obeying people all over the world to believe this fairytale!

So by your view, it's okay for anti-abortion protesters to kill abortion doctors.

Like you said, **** the law.

In fact, the Japanese should just sink the SS and be done with it. **** the law, right?

Btw, you may want to get smarter before you engage me with your typical hate-filled spew. I'm not seeing things one way - YOU are. I'm seeing both sides. I disagree with whaling, but I disagree with what those morons on the SS are doing, as well - and I find it hilarious how they are willing to break maritime law for a totally ineffective tactic.

Originally Posted by Aramike

So by your view, it's okay for anti-abortion protesters to kill abortion doctors.

Like you said, **** the law.

In fact, the Japanese should just sink the SS and be done with it. **** the law, right?

Btw, you may want to get smarter before you engage me with your typical hate-filled spew. I'm not seeing things one way - YOU are. I'm seeing both sides. I disagree with whaling, but I disagree with what those morons on the SS are doing, as well - and I find it hilarious how they are willing to break maritime law for a totally ineffective tactic.

No one is talking here about any human killings here and stop puting lame adequations into topic ok ?!

If Japs would start sinking SS that would most probably lead to open dogfights in the areas where "researchers" operates. But that is not going to happen anyway. Sadly I don't think SS community is big enough to start this war on poaching seriously.
But if it would be imminent than yeah **** the law again

And about effectiveness you might be just right but IMO they're doing good job by dirupting they hunts at least temporarily. And think deeper, if they were so ineffective Japs wouldn't start using worldwide pressure against SS as well.

[August]

Originally Posted by Contact

If Japs would...

so ineffective Japs wouldn't......

That term is a disparaging racial slur so please stop using it immediately. The proper name is Japanese.