Sea Shepards ram Japanese whaling ship

[Jimbuna]

The only winner here will be the shiprepair yard.

Reminds me a little of the Icelandic Cod War.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Letum

Fishing quotas for fish have been proven enforceable in several countries.
Due to their size, I would imagine it is easier to enforce whaling quotas.

As for assessing numbers, educated guesses can be made and quotas drawn
up to provide minimal risk in the worst case scenario.
So long as a sufficient margins are left, there is no significant risk.

I agree that this is an effective method for most marine life. However, whales are mirgratory. Let's say that pod X spends the summer in the Pacific Northwest and the winter off Mexico. Everyone's allowed to take 4 whales, which is what the Mexicans do during the winter. Pod X now moves off Seattle, where the Americans take another four whales from the pod, as is their legal right. The pod is decimated.

No one would really be at fault. How are the Americans to know that this is the same pod that the Mexicans took during the previous season? Given the low birth rates of whales, it would take a decade for harvestable numbers to return, making whaling under these conditions unprofitable. In the long run, whales make for poor harvest.

[Letum]

Yes. that would not be a sustainable way of going about it, but that does not
mean there isn't a sustainable way of going about it at all.
That is part of the reason the whaling commission is international.

[ETR3(SS)]

1.Ramming ships on the high seas.

2.Attempts to board ships (my perspective after watching the video).

3.Written record of crimes committed against other vessels in International waters.

4.Flying the Jolly Roger (albeit their version) which is synonymous with piracy.

5.Written evidence claiming Pirate status (again albeit they claim to be the "Good Pirates")

Wanna stop whaling? Good for you! Wanna violate International Maritime Law and claim status as a pirate? Then you should get what every pirate deserves, a short drop and a sudden stop!

Originally Posted by Letum

Yes. that would not be a sustainable way of going about it, but that does not
mean there isn't a sustainable way of going about it at all.
That is part of the reason the whaling commission is international.

Yea well, so far what has happened is that many whale species are and have been at the brink of extinction for some time. Many stems like the blue whales might never recover and just one day be gone from the oceans. Whales also suffer from hereditary conditions like humans and when the stem becomes too small it will not be able to recover no matter how protected it is.

[Platapus]

My opinion?

Great intentions, but unacceptable implementation.

I am all for changing the laws about whaling, and for increased enforcement of existing laws.

But committing such acts of violence is not acceptable.

But then I do not subscribe to the Consequentialism philosophy.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions as Samuel Johnson once said (but he was not the first)

[Takeda Shingen]

I don't think that anyone here was advocating the methods used by Sea Sheperds. Furthermore, I would agree that they are indeed criminals and should be treated as such.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

1.Ramming ships on the high seas.

2.Attempts to board ships (my perspective after watching the video).

3.Written record of crimes committed against other vessels in International waters.

4.Flying the Jolly Roger (albeit their version) which is synonymous with piracy.

5.Written evidence claiming Pirate status (again albeit they claim to be the "Good Pirates")

Wanna stop whaling? Good for you! Wanna violate International Maritime Law and claim status as a pirate? Then you should get what every pirate deserves, a short drop and a sudden stop!

Just for the fact that they are flying the pirate flag, justifies these guys getting sunk on sight. Whats' next, shows about people spiking lumber or buring SUVs in car lots?

[Sledgehammer427]

I don't think that anyone here was advocating the methods used by Sea Sheperds. Furthermore, I would agree that they are indeed criminals and should be treated as such.

before you guys think I'm a lunatic for saying this, Let me tell you im 18 and fresh out of high school.
yup

Granted they've gone a little overboard, but I support what they're doing. Not many other people are going to jump in a boat and do everything in their power to stop "illegal" whaling. I have tried to see this from all sides and I figured that theres something iffy with the japanese "research" bit. you really need to kill only maybe 2, like every 6 months for research. Apparently, theres more than that being killed.
At a recent flea market, my stepdad flew a Jolly Roger from the back of his car. But we weren't running around plundering and so on. It just looks cool. and maybe thats what the Sea Shepards had in mind too, just with a bit more dedication.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

before you guys think I'm a lunatic for saying this, Let me tell you im 18 and fresh out of high school.
yup

Granted they've gone a little overboard, but I support what they're doing. Not many other people are going to jump in a boat and do everything in their power to stop "illegal" whaling. I have tried to see this from all sides and I figured that theres something iffy with the japanese "research" bit. you really need to kill only maybe 2, like every 6 months for research. Apparently, theres more than that being killed.
At a recent flea market, my stepdad flew a Jolly Roger from the back of his car. But we weren't running around plundering and so on. It just looks cool. and maybe thats what the Sea Shepards had in mind too, just with a bit more dedication.

There's a right way and a wrong way to handle things. These people have an opinion (which I don't necessarily disagree with) but have decided to attempt to IMPOSE their opinions on others.

So let's say the Japanese come up with the opinion that these people are terrorists and need to be destroyed, and decide to impose their will on them? By the same justification, that would be okay.

Heres a picture of the Sea Shepards fighting some Japanese whaling ships.

[Platapus]

Hence the ongoing debate concerning the Consequentialism philosophies and the Deontology philosophies.

Wiser men and women than I have not been able to figure out which is beetter.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Hence the ongoing debate concerning the Consequentialism philosophies and the Deontology philosophies.

Wiser men and women than I have not been able to figure out which is beetter.

Heh, pure deontological ethics simply aren't always practical. Consequentialism is unpredictable. Both tend to remove "will" and intent from the equation, which is why I subscribe to a little bit of each, with some common sense thrown in.

[Platapus]

And one can't just assume that those are the only two choices either.

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by Letum

Fishing quotas for fish have been proven enforceable in several countries.
Due to their size, I would imagine it is easier to enforce whaling quotas.

As for assessing numbers, educated guesses can be made and quotas drawn
up to provide minimal risk in the worst case scenario.
So long as a sufficient margins are left, there is no significant risk.

The dodo's extinct !!! They seem to be alive and thriving.