The proposed health care bill thread (merged)

I couldn't help myself from saying audibly that I'm glad our taxpayer dollars are funding her gambling.

Yep , like that poor auld fella from NY who moved to Florida and couldn't pay his mortgage, maintainance or medical bills ....yet lost the miraculous winning lotto ticket he bought in the liquor store.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by sharkbit

Good article in the Washington Post 8/7/09 by Charles Krauthammer about health care:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080602933.html

Echoes a lot of what Golden Rivet has been saying.

From that article:

Strip away current inefficiencies before remaking one-sixth of the U.S. economy.

Exactly what I have been saying all along. Fix the system first!

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Ironically/sadly enough, I ran into this exact problem today.

Heh, one other time I was behind a woman and her boyfriend (I'm guessing) trailing 5 kids, buying about $18 worth of groceries. She was digging through her purse, unable to find her Quest card (our version of foodstamps), and her boyfriend mentioned that she could just pay with her $50 bill instead. She replied: "Hell no! I'm takin' that money to Potowatami!"

Potowatami is our local casino.

I couldn't help myself from saying audibly that I'm glad our taxpayer dollars are funding her gambling.

A simular card was issued here in California to raise their " Self Esteem" when shopping for groceries.

[Aramike]

Preselected audience members? Hardly a first. Not exactly scary either.

It's scary when the president clearly implies that these are not plants asking the questions.

Ironic how your ideological brothers are complaining about so-called astroturfing while the president you support does the same thing as a standard operating procedure.

Not to mention that he completely lied about his previous stance on single-payer health care AND the AARP support for this plan...

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Oh and is your google button broken for christs sakes. First thing out of disputors mouths "show me a link". Of course were all just making this stuff up and pulling it out of our butts.

Yeah, Obama might lie to you but I won't

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

I don't know much about the proposed plan there, but in Canada Gov. does not cover all of your expenses. Far from it.

There are still lots of employer based plans. It's additional coverage so to speak. I am under two plans, my wife's for Medical ( prescriptions, eyeglasses, etc. ) and Dental and mine for Long Term Disability and additional life insurance stuff. Both of these are cost shared between the individual and the employer.

Thats the thing RDP. I do not need additional coverage. I'm happy with what I have. Therefore, I should be able to keep it and not have to pay into someone else's plan.


Funny to see the stalwart president, the president of change, cumble. This will be his undoing. His supporters are not to enamered at the moment with this plan. He has yet to tell us how this will be paid for. Taxes sure but that is not enough. Just today I heard a figure on the news for taking care of those with terminal illness. The last year is the most expense and it was said that one hundred TRILLION was spent on terminal cases each year. How does he plan on paying this? Will there be a board that listens from case to case on terminal patients then put a thumb up or thumb down for care? Hell, sell tickets like Gladiators of old. Does granny live or die?

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Thats the thing RDP. I do not need additional coverage. I'm happy with what I have. Therefore, I should be able to keep it and not have to pay into someone else's plan.


Funny to see the stalwart president, the president of change, cumble. This will be his undoing.

His credibility is sure crumbling

Candidate Barack Obama offered a lofty vision of how his White House would operate. When the details of health reform were being hammered out, he vowed, "We'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies."



The campaign even aired an ad singling out Billy Tauzin, the drug industry's chief lobbyist. "The pharmaceutical industry wrote into the prescription drug plan that Medicare could not negotiate with drug companies," Obama said in the ad. "And you know what? The chairman of the committee, who pushed the law through, went to work for the pharmaceutical industry making $2 million a year. Imagine that."

Now, it turns out, the Obama White House has cut a backroom deal with Tauzin: Drugmakers would ante up $80 billion in savings in return for a promise that Medicare wouldn't be allowed to negotiate drug prices.

"We were assured: 'We need somebody to come in first. If you come in first, you will have a rock-solid deal,' " Tauzin told the New York Times.

[AVGWarhawk]

Neal, from that article above:

Obama's idealistic campaign-trail promises and the gritty realities of governing.

Yes, reality slapped him in the face. The first reality was Iraq and pulling them out immediately. We see how that went once he got the REAL briefing on Iraq just before he was elected to the White House. He changed his tune. The sad reality here is he thought he would change Washington. It will not happen. Period.

The good old boy network is alive and well.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The last year is the most expense and it was said that one hundred TRILLION was spent on terminal cases each year.

Uh...you might want to check those numbers. $100 trillion is around 20 times the cost of the financial bailouts. Using the broadest measure of money, there isn't even that much money in circulation.

I think someone is selling you a bill of goods.

[August]

Last year at this time there were a lot of Subsim forum members claiming that the main stream media was not biased toward one party or the other.

In the face of the numerous recent examples of blatant main stream media hypocrisy and bias where is your outrage now?

[Aramike]

The last year is the most expense and it was said that one hundred TRILLION was spent on terminal cases each year.

Yeah, like mookie said, check that one... that's more money than the ENTIRE WORLD spends in a year, on ALL economic trade.

[geetrue]

What if President Obama told the truth about the AARP being on their bandwagon?

Perhaps representives of the AARP have already been to the White House for private talks (records are sealed on who has visited since January) from these talks he just assumed they were on his bandwagon.

I'm starting to think that he didn't out and out lie at least not this time.

[1480]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yep , like that poor auld fella from NY who moved to Florida and couldn't pay his mortgage, maintainance or medical bills ....yet lost the miraculous winning lotto ticket he bought in the liquor store.

The man gives an observation and you are all over it like a ten dolla hoe on Friday.... These card welfare systems beg for abuse. I see it all the time and worse yet, some of these fine store owners are being indicted by the "gee" because they are funneling funds to terrorist organizations....our tax money hard at work!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Yeah, like mookie said, check that one... that's more money than the ENTIRE WORLD spends in a year, on ALL economic trade.

I was half listening to be honest Aramike. Perhaps it was billion. Certainly not million. A million today is like saying $100.00. Whatever the case, the cost is very high for terminally ill folks. My mother-in-law was well over $200,000.00 for her terminal cancer. It just brings about my point again, fix the system. Everything concerning it has gone haywire with costs and for really no good reason.

[AVGWarhawk]

Aramike/Mookie, article below and quote. The cost is up there for terminal folks. Obama states 80% of the total health care cost are due to chronically ill or those at the end of their life. This is troubling because he is looking at what? Possible panel of grim reapers for grandma or dad who has terminal cancer?

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/mai...es-again.html/

THE PRESIDENT: So that’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But that’s also a huge driver of cost, right?
I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here.