is the Obama Care money issue this simple?

SteamWake · 08-04-09, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Weeeell, most countries that adopt single-payer health care spend less of their GDP on healthcare than the United States, and achieve better or comparable results.!

Yes of course thats why people from all over the world come to the US for care.

http://yedda.com/questions/Canadian_...1869107797311/

Max2147 · 08-04-09, 02:48 PM

People from all over the world also go to Cuba for medical care. Does that mean their system is better than ours?

SteamWake · 08-04-09, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Max2147

People from all over the world also go to Cuba for medical care. Does that mean their system is better than ours?

Only one that Im aware of is Michal Moore :rotfl:

No really who the hell goes to Cuba for healthcare?

Sea Demon · 08-04-09, 02:57 PM

Well, the other side of the coin is I don't see many Americans leaving the USA to get health care abroad.

AVGWarhawk · 08-04-09, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Well, the other side of the coin is I don't see many Americans leaving the USA to get health care abroad.

Some do so they can attempt some radical type cures. Farrah Fawcett went to Germany for a radical type procedure for her cancer if I'm not mistaken.

Sea Demon · 08-04-09, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Some do so they can attempt some radical type cures. Farrah Fawcett went to Germany for a radical type procedure for her cancer if I'm not mistaken.

Correct. That's why I said "not many". When they do, it always seems to be something radical in mind they seek. Most don't seek health care abroad because what they get here is better for the most part (routine health care and procedures).

AVGWarhawk · 08-04-09, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Correct. That's why I said "not many". When they do, it always seems to be something radical in mind they seek. Most don't seek health care abroad because what they get here is better for the most part (routine health care and procedures).

Very true. The FDA and Surgeon General preclude some procedures or medications thus forcing some to try different methods in other countries.

FIREWALL · 08-04-09, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Some do so they can attempt some radical type cures. Farrah Fawcett went to Germany for a radical type procedure for her cancer if I'm not mistaken.

For what good it did her.

FIREWALL · 08-04-09, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Well, the other side of the coin is I don't see many Americans leaving the USA to get health care abroad.

I remember some years back, Americans going to the Soviet Union for inexpensive Radial Eye surgury.

Their all on disability now. Legally Blind.

AVGWarhawk · 08-04-09, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Only one that Im aware of is Michal Moore :rotfl:

No really who the hell goes to Cuba for healthcare?

Cuba, healthcare? Cuba is not really known for healthcare. Cigars and old cars maybe.

Tchocky · 08-04-09, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Cuba, healthcare? Cuba is not really known for healthcare. Cigars and old cars maybe.

Cuba has a well-established internationally popular healthcare system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthc...nal_healthcare

AVGWarhawk · 08-04-09, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Cuba has a well-established internationally popular healthcare system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthc...nal_healthcare

Well...in my world Cuba is not know for healthcare. Cigars and old cars come from Cuba. I'm not sure how Cuba looks in the Ruins of Europe. When I think healthcare..Cuba does not make the list. I think you will find that with most folks when asked.

Tchocky · 08-04-09, 03:22 PM

Well, in the US you're not legally allowed to go to Cuba for anything, so I'm not surprised that you don't think of it.

I'm not saying Cuba is a model nation for healthcare, I'm echoing what Max147 is saying, that many people travel to Cuba for healthcare, mostly from latin America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Cuba

Platapus · 08-04-09, 04:18 PM

Reminds me of what a reporter said after the Savings and Loan Scandal.

"why should the taxpayer pay for the bailout, let the federal government pay for it"

Tchocky · 08-04-09, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Yes of course thats why people from all over the world come to the US for care.

http://yedda.com/questions/Canadian_...1869107797311/

Canada - 33 million people.
USA - 300 million people.

Inside those two populations, and those two systems, you will find anecdotal evidence for just about anything.
I would argue that, on balance, the Canadian system comes out on top because it's services are open to all citizens, not just those with insurance. Those who pay for healthcare there are not trying to avoid paying at all costs.

Also, the link you posted is wrong-headed.

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Here are some excerpts from Canadian Press about the Socialized Health in Canada. Again this is what Obama and the American media don't want Americans to know. This is the health care coming to the United States under the Obama plan.

The most likely plan to emerge from committee stage will be nothing like the Canadian system. Obama is not working for a system mirroring that of Canada.

EDIT - I love the Danger Danger Capitalisation.

08-04-09, 03:22 PM	#13
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Well, in the US you're not legally allowed to go to Cuba for anything, so I'm not surprised that you don't think of it. I'm not saying Cuba is a model nation for healthcare, I'm echoing what Max147 is saying, that many people travel to Cuba for healthcare, mostly from latin America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Cuba __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,386 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Reminds me of what a reporter said after the Savings and Loan Scandal. "why should the taxpayer pay for the bailout, let the federal government pay for it" __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	People from all over the world also go to Cuba for medical care. Does that mean their system is better than ours?

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Sea Demon Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,552 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Well, the other side of the coin is I don't see many Americans leaving the USA to get health care abroad.