is the Obama Care money issue this simple?

SteamWake · 08-04-09, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Max2147

People from all over the world also go to Cuba for medical care. Does that mean their system is better than ours?

Only one that Im aware of is Michal Moore :rotfl:

No really who the hell goes to Cuba for healthcare?

Sea Demon · 08-04-09, 02:57 PM

Well, the other side of the coin is I don't see many Americans leaving the USA to get health care abroad.

AVGWarhawk · 08-04-09, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Well, the other side of the coin is I don't see many Americans leaving the USA to get health care abroad.

Some do so they can attempt some radical type cures. Farrah Fawcett went to Germany for a radical type procedure for her cancer if I'm not mistaken.

Sea Demon · 08-04-09, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Some do so they can attempt some radical type cures. Farrah Fawcett went to Germany for a radical type procedure for her cancer if I'm not mistaken.

Correct. That's why I said "not many". When they do, it always seems to be something radical in mind they seek. Most don't seek health care abroad because what they get here is better for the most part (routine health care and procedures).

AVGWarhawk · 08-04-09, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Correct. That's why I said "not many". When they do, it always seems to be something radical in mind they seek. Most don't seek health care abroad because what they get here is better for the most part (routine health care and procedures).

Very true. The FDA and Surgeon General preclude some procedures or medications thus forcing some to try different methods in other countries.

FIREWALL · 08-04-09, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Some do so they can attempt some radical type cures. Farrah Fawcett went to Germany for a radical type procedure for her cancer if I'm not mistaken.

For what good it did her.

FIREWALL · 08-04-09, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Well, the other side of the coin is I don't see many Americans leaving the USA to get health care abroad.

I remember some years back, Americans going to the Soviet Union for inexpensive Radial Eye surgury.

Their all on disability now. Legally Blind.

AVGWarhawk · 08-04-09, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Only one that Im aware of is Michal Moore :rotfl:

No really who the hell goes to Cuba for healthcare?

Cuba, healthcare? Cuba is not really known for healthcare. Cigars and old cars maybe.

Tchocky · 08-04-09, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Cuba, healthcare? Cuba is not really known for healthcare. Cigars and old cars maybe.

Cuba has a well-established internationally popular healthcare system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthc...nal_healthcare

AVGWarhawk · 08-04-09, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Cuba has a well-established internationally popular healthcare system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthc...nal_healthcare

Well...in my world Cuba is not know for healthcare. Cigars and old cars come from Cuba. I'm not sure how Cuba looks in the Ruins of Europe. When I think healthcare..Cuba does not make the list. I think you will find that with most folks when asked.

Tchocky · 08-04-09, 03:22 PM

Well, in the US you're not legally allowed to go to Cuba for anything, so I'm not surprised that you don't think of it.

I'm not saying Cuba is a model nation for healthcare, I'm echoing what Max147 is saying, that many people travel to Cuba for healthcare, mostly from latin America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Cuba

SteamWake · 08-04-09, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Well, in the US you're not legally allowed to go to Cuba for anything, so I'm not surprised that you don't think of it.

I'm not saying Cuba is a model nation for healthcare, I'm echoing what Max147 is saying, that many people travel to Cuba for healthcare, mostly from latin America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Cuba

Well when compared to other countries in Latin America I suppose that Cuba is a shining bastion of modern healthcare. As opposed to say Hati

Tchocky · 08-04-09, 03:53 PM

Higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality than the US. Just sayin;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...ionary_indices

Platapus · 08-04-09, 04:18 PM

Reminds me of what a reporter said after the Savings and Loan Scandal.

"why should the taxpayer pay for the bailout, let the federal government pay for it"

Max2147 · 08-04-09, 04:38 PM

The US healthcare system is great - if you can pay for all of it.

People who travel abroad for medical care generally fly first class or take their own private jets. For those people, the US is generally the best option. Americans who are rich enough to travel abroad for healthcare can usually afford the best care here, so they don't need to travel.

The people who get screwed by the American healthcare system are those who can't afford to travel abroad for care. Those people would be better off under a European-style system, but they can't afford to go to Europe for healthcare.

That said, I have plenty of friends who have been in countries with socialized medicine for other reasons, and had to use their systems. All of them have raved about the quality of care and the low cost.

In countries with single payer systems there is still the option for private insurance for those who can afford it. But the public option is so good that almost nobody uses the private option.

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Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Well, in the US you're not legally allowed to go to Cuba for anything, so I'm not surprised that you don't think of it. I'm not saying Cuba is a model nation for healthcare, I'm echoing what Max147 is saying, that many people travel to Cuba for healthcare, mostly from latin America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Cuba __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality than the US. Just sayin; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...ionary_indices __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,373 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Reminds me of what a reporter said after the Savings and Loan Scandal. "why should the taxpayer pay for the bailout, let the federal government pay for it" __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Sea Demon Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,552 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Well, the other side of the coin is I don't see many Americans leaving the USA to get health care abroad.

08-04-09, 04:38 PM	#15
Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The US healthcare system is great - if you can pay for all of it. People who travel abroad for medical care generally fly first class or take their own private jets. For those people, the US is generally the best option. Americans who are rich enough to travel abroad for healthcare can usually afford the best care here, so they don't need to travel. The people who get screwed by the American healthcare system are those who can't afford to travel abroad for care. Those people would be better off under a European-style system, but they can't afford to go to Europe for healthcare. That said, I have plenty of friends who have been in countries with socialized medicine for other reasons, and had to use their systems. All of them have raved about the quality of care and the low cost. In countries with single payer systems there is still the option for private insurance for those who can afford it. But the public option is so good that almost nobody uses the private option.