is the Obama Care money issue this simple?

[Sailor Steve]

That's always been my biggest headache with people who want social reforms: convincing them that government cannot create revenues. It produces nothing worth buying, so it can only exist by taxes. In the case of police and fire departments, road construction, even the military, this is a necessary thing. I was going to say good, but it is my confirmed belief that the only way to guarantee a safe government is to mandate that anyone in a position to levy taxes be required to understand that they are, in the best cases, still only a necessary evil.

Of course that's also impossible.

Another fun one: when I say that government makes no money, I always get the answer "That's silly. The government is the only one who can make money." Explaining that printing paper that says 'Money' on it and actually earning revenue are two entirely different things is an excersise in frustration.

[FIREWALL]

Very well put Steve.

Why is it taxpayers are told not to spend more than we bring in ?

But Government doe's it with a passion.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Very well put Steve.

Why is it taxpayers are told not to spend more than we bring in ?

But Government doe's it with a passion.

Because they can

[Tchocky]

Weeeell, most countries that adopt single-payer health care spend less of their GDP on healthcare than the United States, and achieve better or comparable results.

quick wiki link- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_..._in_comparison

So, if the government pays for health care financed through taxes, and the country spends less money on healthcare overall, then you've got more money to spend on other things. In a way, the government is helping out.

Being paid for in tax revenues, naturally this runs up against the taxes-are-bad idea.

EDIT - Socialism! It'll eat your children!

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Weeeell, most countries that adopt single-payer health care spend less of their GDP on healthcare than the United States, and achieve better or comparable results.!

Yes of course thats why people from all over the world come to the US for care.

http://yedda.com/questions/Canadian_...1869107797311/

[Max2147]

People from all over the world also go to Cuba for medical care. Does that mean their system is better than ours?

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Max2147

People from all over the world also go to Cuba for medical care. Does that mean their system is better than ours?

Only one that Im aware of is Michal Moore :rotfl:

No really who the hell goes to Cuba for healthcare?

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Yes of course thats why people from all over the world come to the US for care.

http://yedda.com/questions/Canadian_...1869107797311/

Canada - 33 million people.
USA - 300 million people.

Inside those two populations, and those two systems, you will find anecdotal evidence for just about anything.
I would argue that, on balance, the Canadian system comes out on top because it's services are open to all citizens, not just those with insurance. Those who pay for healthcare there are not trying to avoid paying at all costs.


Also, the link you posted is wrong-headed.

Here are some excerpts from Canadian Press about the Socialized Health in Canada. Again this is what Obama and the American media don't want Americans to know. This is the health care coming to the United States under the Obama plan.

The most likely plan to emerge from committee stage will be nothing like the Canadian system. Obama is not working for a system mirroring that of Canada.

EDIT - I love the Danger Danger Capitalisation.