The proposed health care bill thread (merged)

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Screw your government run healthcare if it infringes on my liberty. And as things look....it does.

If personal liberty is so important to you, then pledge to never ever use any kind of government service. Someone breaks into your house? You don't get to call the police. Stay off of my roads if you resent having to pay taxes for the upkeep of them. And dig your own well and get off of my municipal water grid. Hope you have a fire extinguisher or 10 around in case your garage catches fire.

We have these things because we as a society have decided it's good for our society to be safe and healthy. Healthcare is no different. The societal benefits of a healthy population are argument enough for universal healthcare.

To quote someone more eloquent than me:

“some societies, ours included, from time to time decide that its citizens, or certain groups of them, should be entitled to certain benefits. Sometimes this [is] justified by the common good -- a well-educated populace serves society well, so we guarantee an education to all children. Sometimes this is derived from humanitarian principles -- children should not go hungry, so we create childhood nutrition programs. Healthcare would, in my estimation, fall into the category of an entitlement rather than a right..."

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

This is all part of a cleverly constructed plan by the Democrats to create a Government dependent population. Once people know that they can always look to Government to assist them with just about everything, then it will be nearly impossible for the Republicans to get elected in the future.

Obama is really trying to create an 'assisted living' environment for the majority of our citizens. Look at Government ownership in the Banking industry and the Motor industry and you start to see where they are going.

If this is what most people in the US want then so be it, but don't then stand there with your flag on July 4th and proclaim how grateful you are to be free, because you're giving up that precious freedom and replacing it with bigger Government and security.

Guess where people without health care go when they are sick or injured. A doctor's office? No, they go to the local hospital ER and pay nothing. Now guess who foots the bill.

Buddahaid

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Guess where people without health care go when they are sick or injured. A doctor's office? No, they go to the local hospital ER and pay nothing. Now guess who foots the bill.

Buddahaid

Yes, current insurance holders pay about $1600.00/year for the uninsured. Will the healthcare plan by Obama eliminate that? I would say no because even though the plan is available for all does not mean all will sign up. Will the hosptitals and doctors have free reign to put in a claim on a person that has not participated in the program but received medical treatment. Nope(to much open door for corruption) so, not only do current insurance holders still cover that asspect but they are forced to pay into the system as well.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yes, current insurance holders pay about $1600.00/year for the uninsured. Will the healthcare plan by Obama eliminate that? I would say no because even though the plan is available for all does not mean all will sign up. Will the hosptitals and doctors have free reign to put in a claim on a person that has not participated in the program but received medical treatment. Nope(to much open door for corruption) so, not only do current insurance holders still cover that asspect but they are forced to pay into the system as well.

A visit to the ER for a non life threatening injury involving a couple of x-ray images will cost about $2,000.00 to $3,000.00, even if there are no broken bones. We need a system that gives people who can't afford insurance somewhere to go other than the ER. This plan will have faults and will need much tweeking, but the current system is also expensive due to situations like the above, and the lack of latitude given doctors to treat patients in order to fit the insurance coding. Not to mention the gold digging lawyers fighting for the compensation you really "don't" deserve.

Buddahaid

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

I also have to ask....does she have a cell phone? What kind of car does she drive? Is she financing it? Cable TV plan? Satellite TV? You get what I'm driving at? If healthcare is so damn important to these people, they better not have any kind of luxuries before they fund a healthplan for themselves. Otherwise I don't want to hear the sob stories.

Exactly.

And I'm amazed that so many people feel they should be able to spend their money as they choose and live their lifestyle as they choose (drinking, drugs, overweight, smoking) and yet they expect someone to provide health care for them.

And we are already paying $$ for Medicaid/Medicare, which I never used.

I think the system we have is very good, I have never had anything to complain about at all, regarding my hospital stays, doctor visits, etc.

Guess where people without health care go when they are sick or injured. A doctor's office? No, they go to the local hospital ER and pay nothing. Now guess who foots the bill.

Agreed, we do need to do something to get all the peop,e who are reluctant to take care of their responsibilties towards health care and who cost hospitals money. Let's have a health care system where you pay into it and you are covered, and you can opt out of coverage and paying if you provide your own coverage.