The most violent countries - Europe - Think the USA has the most violent crimes?

SUBMAN1 · 07-12-09, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggles

You still haven't answered my question back on post #26:

You are 100% sure this would be the reason? Would you please give us proof/information that supports your view in this matter?

Should I expect an answer or should I forget it?

I made a suggestion. Maybe you should study it? Post Nazi.

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Biggles · 07-12-09, 12:47 PM

Maybe you should stop calling people for Post Nazis and give a proper answer? Never mind, I don't care anymore...

SUBMAN1 · 07-12-09, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggles

Maybe you should stop calling people for Post Nazis and give a proper answer? Never mind, I don't care anymore...

Thats good, because I lost interest in your posts a long time ago when you forbid me from making comments in my posts.

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SUBMAN1 · 07-12-09, 12:51 PM

Looks like you can carry in Germany too:

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Firearms carry permits entitle licensees to publicly carry legally owned weapons, loaded in a concealed or non-concealed manner. A mandatory legal and safety class and shooting proficiency tests are required to obtain such a permit. Carry permits are usually only issued to persons with a particular need for carrying a firearm. This includes licensed hunters, law-enforcement officers, security personnel and persons living under a raised threat-level like celebrities and politicians.

The weapons law does not apply to military use of weapons within the Bundeswehr.

The identity card of German troops contains a term allowing them carrying weapons. Nevertheless, issuance of guns and especially ammunition is also very strictly controlled within the armed forces.

Thomen · 07-12-09, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Looks like you can carry in Germany too:

Not really. Permits to own a weapon does not mean you are allowed to carry.
But is is a pain in the behind to get a permit in the first place. Nowdays, you even need a permit for weapons that can only shoot blanks.

07-12-09, 01:02 PM

In much of Europe only the criminals have firearms. Either before or after a firearm is aquired. But I digress, what is the definition of violent crime in the various European countries? That seems to me to be a good starting point. If one really wants to clear this all up.

SUBMAN1 · 07-12-09, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

Not really. Permits to own a weapon does not mean you are allowed to carry.
But is is a pain in the behind to get a permit in the first place. Nowdays, you even need a permit for weapons that can only shoot blanks.

I figured it would be hard, but hunters is on the list?

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Thomen · 07-12-09, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I figured it would be hard, but hunters is on the list?

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And thats about all thats on the list of private persons. And even those have a lot of restriction on how, what, when and where they are allowed to transport, carry, maintain and secure their firearms.

As Schroeder said, it is virtually impossible to use them for self defense thanks to those restrictions and regulations.

Biggles · 07-12-09, 12:53 PM

I forbid you? I can't recall I ever did...oh well, since you're so sure then I guess you're right.

SUBMAN1 · 07-12-09, 12:56 PM

Firearms rules for Germany:

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A number of criteria must be met before a firearms ownership license is issued:

age of consent (18 years for rimfire calibers/21 years for higher calibers) (§ 4 WaffG)
trustworthiness (§ 5 WaffG)
personal adequacy (§ 6 WaffG)
expert knowledge (§ 7 WaffG) and
necessity (§ 8 WaffG) (Necessity is automatically assumed present for licensed hunters and owners of a carry permits (Waffenschein)).

Persons who are

convicted felons
have a record of mental disorder or
are deemed unreliable (which includes people with drug or alcohol addiction histories and known violent or aggressive persons)

are barred from obtaining a firearms ownership license.

Schroeder · 07-12-09, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Firearms are allowed in Germany. Not even cops can take their firearms home in the UK. BTW, where is Germany on this list?

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Yes there are weapons, but you must have a special license to be allowed to have one ( and not everyone gets one, you must have a special reason to own one) and even then you mustn't carry them around with you, have to lock them in a steel locker separated from ammunition. So there is no way you can use them for self defence. That is why I pointed out the low German crimes numbers.

07-12-09, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I made a suggestion. Maybe you should study it? Post Nazi.

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What's next Subman1?

"[article on obscure tabloid]ELVIS SEEN ON MARS[/article on obscure tabloid]

Prove me he's not there!?!1!11eleven!1"

SUBMAN1 · 07-12-09, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

What's next Subman1?

"[article on obscure tabloid]ELVIS SEEN ON MARS[/article on obscure tabloid]

Prove me he's not there!?!1!11eleven!1"

Thanks for proving my point of you Trolling and trying to derail the thread.

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07-12-09, 01:02 PM	#6
CastleBravo Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	In much of Europe only the criminals have firearms. Either before or after a firearm is aquired. But I digress, what is the definition of violent crime in the various European countries? That seems to me to be a good starting point. If one really wants to clear this all up.