Here it comes ! House eyes new taxes as senators pare health bill

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Look at every other civilized nation in the world's universal healthcare plan where life expectancies and patient satisfaction are higher while spending less on healthcare than the U.S.

Enough said.

I guess some folks are happy to wait 3 years for necessary surgery. :rotfl:

I guess some folks are happy to be denied care due to their current health.

Meh... go watch another Michale Moore movie.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

I guess some folks are happy to wait 3 years for necessary surgery. :rotfl:

I guess some folks are happy to be denied care due to their current health.

Neither of which would ever happen under our glorious HMO system, right?

Meh... go watch another Michale Moore movie.

I will so long as you keep swallowing the insurance company propaganda hook line and sinker.

[AVGWarhawk]

Hillary attempted this when Bill was in office. It went down in a ball of flames. Currently Obama is getting serious opposition from his own crew on the Hill. He has been handed the golden key to the crapper from ABC and making an hour long info-merical...I won't be watching that. Obama's approval rating is starting to flounder and drop even more. This health care will not pass...UNLESS, Pelosi and co can get fat pork in the bill. Welcome to old school DC and no change at all.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Neither of which would ever happen under our glorious HMO system, right?

Id venture to say no. Most assuredly no.

In fact even those whom cannot pay recieve care thats one of the reasons health care costs are so high.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Id venture to say no. Most assuredly no.

In fact even those whom cannot pay recieve care thats one of the reasons health care costs are so high.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22357873/

That was one story I remember. There's thousands more.

[Aramike]

I might surprise some people with my opinion on this, but here goes:

I am in favor on nationalized health care.

There, I said it. Now for the reasons why.

Anyone who thinks that we don't already have nationalized healthcare is fooling themselves. In the US we have two issues which demonstrate this. First is the Patient Bill of Rights which allows ANYONE access to healthcare without payment. As such, a great many people show up at emergency rooms nationwide for free attention to their sore throats knowing that they'll just ignore the subsequent bills. Secondly, nearly every state in the country has completely subsidized healthcare programs for the "poor", in addition to Medicaid. This often means that the least productive members of society actually find themselves with more disposable income that some in the middle class. Think about it: someone relatively healthy pulling in $18,000/year on welfare can be quite a bit better off than someone making $30k but has to provide their own $1200/month coverage because of a pre-existing condition (I'm not making this up, actually - my father-in-law is faced with a very similar situation after losing his job recently. Fortunately we can help him out, but not everyone is so lucky).

Indeed, I've heard the horror stories about the waiting times for important surgeries in nations with socialized healthcare. I believe that allowing independent insurance coverage as an option would SOMEWHAT help to alleviate that problem.

The problem I see with attempting to make the healthcare industry free-market is that it really can't be such a thing. In my opinion, people HAVE to be entitled to some measure of healthcare.

Our healthcare system is absolutely broken. We currently have a system that absolutely overburdens the middle class. Think about it: if you're poor you've got a free ticket to one of the most expensive cost-of-living items there is. If you're rich than this really won't affect you.

But, if you happen to fall into the category of the middle class family paying your mortgage, credit card bills, etc. on time, a major issue can send even the insured individual to the poorhouse with a high deductable. Imagine if you just lost your job, however - now the "class warfare" system of healthcare has just sent you to the lower class. Either that, or you'll be doing without urgent medications and treatments.

I personally hate to ever relinquish control of anything to the government, but honestly I don't trust insurance companies a whole lot more.

I do have a proposal for how to fix healthcare in the US, but I'm kind of getting tired at the moment. Maybe tomorrow...

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22357873/

That was one story I remember. There's thousands more.

Thousands?

The family of a 17-year-old girl who died hours after her health insurer reversed a decision and said it would pay for a liver transplant plans to sue the company, their attorney said Friday.

The fact that this landed in a lawsuit indicates it is an abboration.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Thousands?



The fact that this landed in a lawsuit indicates it is an abboration.

It's in the insurance company's best interest to deny care as they are a for profit business. Their interests and yours as the insured's are not aligned.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It's in the insurance company's best interest to deny care as they are a for profit business. Their interests and yours as the insured's are not aligned.

And you think a pencil pusher on the Hill that has as much a medical background as you and I really has an interest in your care? The government does not care about your healthcare. Look at the VA for that. What a disgrace the VA is. Walter Reed was a crying shame. Yeah, Washington gives a crap about you. That is laughable at best. Obama already stated he would eliminate tests for what they consider unnecessary. That is great, no need to go with the doctors recommendations. We will listen to Will the page and see what he thinks right after fetching some paperwork for Senator Beanhead.

Again, medicare is a failing system for the elderly....do think this nationalized healthcare is going to work The VA hospitals are medicre at best. Walter Reed was a crying shame.

What everyone needs to worry about at the moment is this new energy bill. Do you realize your living expenses are going to go up between $2000.00-$4000.00 per year if this bill passes? Pelosi is pushing this bill this week. Good luck to us if this bill passes and you throw in healthcare for all on top of. In short gents, we are hosed. We are about to be taxed to the hilt. Grab your ankles, this is going to hurt for a good long while.

Obama and his cronies are destroying the country in the name of being a 'do gooder'. It is being done at your expense and my expense. Heres to the victory garden at the White House.