Wrong draft data for Aquitania?

meduza · 06-15-09, 11:02 AM

Here's what happened, in short: near Malta, I was jumped by a destroyer in the storm. I dived and realized I was almost in the middle of a small convoy. When I escaped, i follow them. The weather cleared and I identified the ships as Aquitania and another smaller troop ship, doing some crazy course changes, almost running in circles. I positioned myself in front for an attacked, when they changed course again. Aquitania ran directly overhead, and we touched.

I quickly turned and fired full salvo at her stern from 500m. Her draft is 14m, so i set the depth to almost 15. At least one torpedo must have exploded, but nothing happened. Then I watched Aquitania getting sank by the Luftwaffe. They didn't bother to attack two destroyers who were pounding me nearby.

So I created a single mission with Aquitania, to see what did I do wrong. After many fired torpedoes, I came to the conclusion that her draft is around 12.3m, not 14m as stated in the recognition manual.

The test and the actual attack were done in dead calm seas.

Can someone confirm this?

Ford Prefect · 06-15-09, 11:42 AM

Well accord to what info I can find online the Aquitania had a draft of 36 feet which equates to a few cm short of 11 meters. So if the game follows that then its little wonder you missed.

makman94 · 06-15-09, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by meduza

Here's what happened, in short: near Malta, I was jumped by a destroyer in the storm. I dived and realized I was almost in the middle of a small convoy. When I escaped, i follow them. The weather cleared and I identified the ships as Aquitania and another smaller troop ship, doing some crazy course changes, almost running in circles. I positioned myself in front for an attacked, when they changed course again. Aquitania ran directly overhead, and we touched.

I quickly turned and fired full salvo at her stern from 500m. Her draft is 14m, so i set the depth to almost 15. At least one torpedo must have exploded, but nothing happened. Then I watched Aquitania getting sank by the Luftwaffe. They didn't bother to attack two destroyers who were pounding me nearby.

So I created a single mission with Aquitania, to see what did I do wrong. After many fired torpedoes, I came to the conclusion that her draft is around 12.3m, not 14m as stated in the recognition manual.

The test and the actual attack were done in dead calm seas.

Can someone confirm this?

that's very interesting discovery of yours Meduza (i think i had the Aquitania in a mission , when i test it i will let you know)

Jimbuna · 06-15-09, 04:20 PM

In game she should have a draft of 14.78.

Create a test mission in calm weather conditions and set your eels to 15 magnetic.

meduza · 06-15-09, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

In game she should have a draft of 14.78.

Create a test mission in calm weather conditions and set your eels to 15 magnetic.

That's exactly what I did. And it passed way under the keel. Then I gradually decreased the depth until I made a hit. I observed with external camera. 12.5m barely passed under, and 12.25 hit the keel.

Jimbuna · 06-15-09, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by meduza

That's exactly what I did. And it passed way under the keel. Then I gradually decreased the depth until I made a hit. I observed with external camera. 12.5m barely passed under, and 12.25 hit the keel.

I think the model was by Von Dos....perhaps you might want to contact him, raise his awareness and give him the opportunity to make the necessary correction.

meduza · 06-15-09, 05:49 PM

Thanks for the info, I'll contact him.

Ford Prefect · 06-15-09, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I think the model was by Von Dos....perhaps you might want to contact him, raise his awareness and give him the opportunity to make the necessary correction.

Not sure the model needs changing but rather the info on the vessel, as I said in my previous post the real ship didn't have a draft that deep, it appears the model is correct (or close) based upon the torpedo tests by meduza.

I'll go look into it myself in the morning and see what depth settings I need to get a hit.

LGN1 · 06-15-09, 11:25 PM

Has anyone checked the draught value in the *.sim file using S3D? I think this gives the correct number.

VonDos · 06-16-09, 12:42 PM

MMM is possible i've indicated a wrong draft.
I'll verify when possible, thanks a lot for the info ^_^
PS for correct this bug, if you want a "rapid solution", go to SilentHunterIII\data\sea\nlus_ folder, open your nlus_.cfg file whit notepad, go to "draft" line and set your "favourite" draft.
Same for NLUS__en\\fe\ge museum files.

06-15-09, 11:02 AM	#1
meduza Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: on patrol Posts: 1,035 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Wrong draft data for Aquitania? Here's what happened, in short: near Malta, I was jumped by a destroyer in the storm. I dived and realized I was almost in the middle of a small convoy. When I escaped, i follow them. The weather cleared and I identified the ships as Aquitania and another smaller troop ship, doing some crazy course changes, almost running in circles. I positioned myself in front for an attacked, when they changed course again. Aquitania ran directly overhead, and we touched. I quickly turned and fired full salvo at her stern from 500m. Her draft is 14m, so i set the depth to almost 15. At least one torpedo must have exploded, but nothing happened. Then I watched Aquitania getting sank by the Luftwaffe. They didn't bother to attack two destroyers who were pounding me nearby. So I created a single mission with Aquitania, to see what did I do wrong. After many fired torpedoes, I came to the conclusion that her draft is around 12.3m, not 14m as stated in the recognition manual. The test and the actual attack were done in dead calm seas. Can someone confirm this? __________________

06-15-09, 04:20 PM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	In game she should have a draft of 14.78. Create a test mission in calm weather conditions and set your eels to 15 magnetic. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-15-09, 05:49 PM	#7
meduza Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: on patrol Posts: 1,035 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the info, I'll contact him. __________________

06-16-09, 12:42 PM	#10
VonDos Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 2,352 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 60	MMM is possible i've indicated a wrong draft. I'll verify when possible, thanks a lot for the info ^_^ PS for correct this bug, if you want a "rapid solution", go to SilentHunterIII\data\sea\nlus_ folder, open your nlus_.cfg file whit notepad, go to "draft" line and set your "favourite" draft. Same for NLUS__en\\fe\ge museum files. __________________ Those, others and WIP ships are avaiable in my SHIPYARD here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=136508

06-15-09, 11:42 AM	#2
Ford Prefect Planesman Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire Posts: 184 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Well accord to what info I can find online the Aquitania had a draft of 36 feet which equates to a few cm short of 11 meters. So if the game follows that then its little wonder you missed.

06-15-09, 11:25 PM	#9
LGN1 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,138 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 12	Has anyone checked the draught value in the *.sim file using S3D? I think this gives the correct number.