putting helmsman ability to petty officers

meduza · 06-11-09, 11:41 AM

I have never noticed any difference.

GoldenRivet · 06-11-09, 12:23 PM

i just got finished with a series of tests here.

TEST #1 (control)

VIIB
helm rated officers
regular sailors at helm stations
crash dive ordered FROM A DEAD STOP 0 KTS
the time elapsed between the time the crash dive was ordered and the time that the fully extended OBS scope submerged was

37 Seconds by in game stop watch

====================

TEST #2

VIIB
Helm rated officers
helm rated petty officers at helm stations
crash dive ordered FROM A DEAD STOP 0 KTS
the time elapsed between the time the crash dive was ordered and the time that the fully extended OBS scope submerged was

37 seconds by in game stop watch

====================

TEST #3

VIIB
Helm rated officers
helm rated petty officers at helm stations
crash dive ordered WHILE THE BOAT WAS AT MAX SPEED
the time elapsed between the time the crash dive was ordered and the time that the fully extended OBS scope submerged was

35 seconds by in game stop watch

====================

TEST #4

VIIB
Helm Rated Officers
regular sailors at helm stations
crash dive ordered WHILE THE BOAT WAS AT MAX SPEED
VIIB
Helm rated officers
helm rated petty officers at helm stations
crash dive ordered
the time elapsed between the time the crash dive was ordered and the time that the fully extended OBS scope submerged was

35 seconds by in game stop watch

===================

furthermore, the time required to carry out orders, such as "ahead flank", "dive", "hard to port" etc was not affected at all by the qualifications of the command room crew.

Sailor Steve · 06-11-09, 01:12 PM

I always keep a Helm-rated PO at the pumps, with two common seamen on the planes. It just feels right to me to do it that way.

Bent Periscope · 06-11-09, 01:48 PM

Nice testing Goldrivet.

Could you test with a minimum of non-helm qualified officers but enough helm qualified petty officers to fill the bar green.

I'm wondering if I even need any helm qualified officers or should I just cross train them in other areas. I already know I don't need any Medical Officers but multiple Torp., Machinist & Watch Officers are always good to have around.

GoldenRivet · 06-11-09, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bent Periscope

Nice testing Goldrivet.

Could you test with a minimum of non-helm qualified officers but enough helm qualified petty officers to fill the bar green.

I'm wondering if I even need any helm qualified officers or should I just cross train them in other areas. I already know I don't need any Medical Officers but multiple Torp., Machinist & Watch Officers are always good to have around.

standby

GoldenRivet · 06-11-09, 02:05 PM

The minimum crew i could put into the command room was:

1 officer with NO qualifications (weapons officer and navigator absent)
3 Regular Sailors.

this dropped the green bar to about 50 or 60% of full

from a dead stop in calm seas i ordered a crash dive and timed the duration of the dive to cover the fully raised OBS scope with water.

the time with minimum crew in the command room

37 seconds from a dead stop

35 seconds while the boat was at maximum surfaced speed of 17-18 knots.

i have also tested crew positions with respect to "loading up" the forward compartments so as to make the boat front heavy... this had no effect on dive time.

it remained consistently 37 seconds at dead stop and 35 seconds at ahead flank.

keep in mind... this is not the time it took to go decks awash... this is the time it took to completely submerge the boat all the way up to a raised periscope mast.

furthermore, the test assumed that some time could be saved if the diesel crew didnt have to switch to the electric engine compartment (this takes a couple of seconds)

in a few additional tests i placed a fully accredited crew into both the diesel and electric compartments.

again this had no effect on crash dive time.

GoldenRivet · 06-11-09, 02:21 PM

Addendum my above post:

i find the testing interesting.

is the helmsman qualification more or less useless? i have always been of that opinion.

it seems that of all the compartments within the SH3 boat, the command room is the LEAST affected by crewman qualification.

the stock manual mentioned that the orders are carried out more effectively with a well qualified command room crew, however i have never noticed this.

given orders yield the same reaction time regardless of crew qualifications in the command room.

but take the radio/sonar room for example.

place two regular sailors in there, and you are likley to miss distant sound contacts.

however replace the two sailors with even one radioman qualified petty officer and you can hear very distant contacts.

perhaps this is a glitch?

it seems that something should be affected by command room personnel or lack thereof.

06-11-09, 02:05 PM	#6
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	The minimum crew i could put into the command room was: 1 officer with NO qualifications (weapons officer and navigator absent) 3 Regular Sailors. this dropped the green bar to about 50 or 60% of full from a dead stop in calm seas i ordered a crash dive and timed the duration of the dive to cover the fully raised OBS scope with water. the time with minimum crew in the command room 37 seconds from a dead stop 35 seconds while the boat was at maximum surfaced speed of 17-18 knots. i have also tested crew positions with respect to "loading up" the forward compartments so as to make the boat front heavy... this had no effect on dive time. it remained consistently 37 seconds at dead stop and 35 seconds at ahead flank. keep in mind... this is not the time it took to go decks awash... this is the time it took to completely submerge the boat all the way up to a raised periscope mast. furthermore, the test assumed that some time could be saved if the diesel crew didnt have to switch to the electric engine compartment (this takes a couple of seconds) in a few additional tests i placed a fully accredited crew into both the diesel and electric compartments. again this had no effect on crash dive time. __________________

06-11-09, 02:21 PM	#7
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Addendum my above post: i find the testing interesting. is the helmsman qualification more or less useless? i have always been of that opinion. it seems that of all the compartments within the SH3 boat, the command room is the LEAST affected by crewman qualification. the stock manual mentioned that the orders are carried out more effectively with a well qualified command room crew, however i have never noticed this. given orders yield the same reaction time regardless of crew qualifications in the command room. but take the radio/sonar room for example. place two regular sailors in there, and you are likley to miss distant sound contacts. however replace the two sailors with even one radioman qualified petty officer and you can hear very distant contacts. perhaps this is a glitch? it seems that something should be affected by command room personnel or lack thereof. __________________

06-11-09, 11:41 AM	#1
meduza Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: on patrol Posts: 1,035 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	I have never noticed any difference. __________________

06-11-09, 12:23 PM	#2
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	i just got finished with a series of tests here. TEST #1 (control) VIIB helm rated officers regular sailors at helm stations crash dive ordered FROM A DEAD STOP 0 KTS the time elapsed between the time the crash dive was ordered and the time that the fully extended OBS scope submerged was 37 Seconds by in game stop watch ==================== TEST #2 VIIB Helm rated officers helm rated petty officers at helm stations crash dive ordered FROM A DEAD STOP 0 KTS the time elapsed between the time the crash dive was ordered and the time that the fully extended OBS scope submerged was 37 seconds by in game stop watch ==================== TEST #3 VIIB Helm rated officers helm rated petty officers at helm stations crash dive ordered WHILE THE BOAT WAS AT MAX SPEED the time elapsed between the time the crash dive was ordered and the time that the fully extended OBS scope submerged was 35 seconds by in game stop watch ==================== TEST #4 VIIB Helm Rated Officers regular sailors at helm stations crash dive ordered WHILE THE BOAT WAS AT MAX SPEED VIIB Helm rated officers helm rated petty officers at helm stations crash dive ordered the time elapsed between the time the crash dive was ordered and the time that the fully extended OBS scope submerged was 35 seconds by in game stop watch =================== furthermore, the time required to carry out orders, such as "ahead flank", "dive", "hard to port" etc was not affected at all by the qualifications of the command room crew. __________________

06-11-09, 01:12 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I always keep a Helm-rated PO at the pumps, with two common seamen on the planes. It just feels right to me to do it that way. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-11-09, 01:48 PM	#4
Bent Periscope Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dry docks of Los Angeles, CA Posts: 250 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Nice testing Goldrivet. Could you test with a minimum of non-helm qualified officers but enough helm qualified petty officers to fill the bar green. I'm wondering if I even need any helm qualified officers or should I just cross train them in other areas. I already know I don't need any Medical Officers but multiple Torp., Machinist & Watch Officers are always good to have around.